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Post by rejoicealways8 on Oct 31, 2014 18:45:31 GMT -6
Hope it gets better right away, Darin.
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Post by clueless on Nov 1, 2014 7:16:24 GMT -6
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Post by reddarin on Nov 1, 2014 7:45:46 GMT -6
Still mysteriously swollen
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Post by reddarin on Nov 1, 2014 7:49:14 GMT -6
Weigh-in this morning 179.5 for a bigious one point five bounce that is probably related to the weird right leg only ankle swelling I must have stepped wrong day before yesterday but whatever aggravated that ankle wasn't obvious at the time that's for sure.
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Post by gretalyn on Nov 1, 2014 9:16:36 GMT -6
I hope that everyone had a fun Halloween! I hadn't planned on having any Halloween candy, but, well, let's just say mistakes were made. But I'll be good today! The funny thing is, the candy did not taste nearly as good in reality as it did in my memory. So it was kind of a waste anyway. I'm sorry for my very late replies, but... reddarin Thanks for those links about biofilms. I've never heard of that before! Very interesting stuff. And I do see your point about how I wouldn't necessarily have to restore my "original" bacteria 100% to get relief of symptoms. That makes sense. And regarding the fiber experiment, I guess I need to think about whether the potential pay-off is worth the discomfort and problems. I do see the point in consuming forms of fiber that are pre-biotic. I think dietary (insoluble) fiber is way over-rated, personally, and don't really see the point in trying to increase it. (The people telling us how wonderful fiber is for human health are the same ones telling us to base our diet on those "healthy" whole grains, avoid saturated fat, etc. so I don't really trust them to know what they're talking about.) But if you know of a compelling reason to increase my intake of it, I'm all ears! rejoicealways8 Yes, I've been eating fermented foods off and on for more than ten years now. Kimchi and tsukemono are my favorites! I like the ginger carrots recipe in Nourishing Traditions too. I admit, though, I haven't made any of these in awhile. I eat lots of creme fraiche, because it's delicious and it's very high in fat. And it's made from the same bacteria that makes other fermented foods. So I thought I had my bases covered with that. But maybe I should experiment a bit and see. Thank you for the reminder!
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Post by reddarin on Nov 1, 2014 10:22:35 GMT -6
I hope that everyone had a fun Halloween! I hadn't planned on having any Halloween candy, but, well, let's just say mistakes were made. But I'll be good today! The funny thing is, the candy did not taste nearly as good in reality as it did in my memory. So it was kind of a waste anyway. I'm sorry for my very late replies, but... reddarin Thanks for those links about biofilms. I've never heard of that before! Very interesting stuff. And I do see your point about how I wouldn't necessarily have to restore my "original" bacteria 100% to get relief of symptoms. That makes sense. And regarding the fiber experiment, I guess I need to think about whether the potential pay-off is worth the discomfort and problems. I do see the point in consuming forms of fiber that are pre-biotic. I think dietary (insoluble) fiber is way over-rated, personally, and don't really see the point in trying to increase it. (The people telling us how wonderful fiber is for human health are the same ones telling us to base our diet on those "healthy" whole grains, avoid saturated fat, etc. so I don't really trust them to know what they're talking about.) But if you know of a compelling reason to increase my intake of it, I'm all ears! rejoicealways8 Yes, I've been eating fermented foods off and on for more than ten years now. Kimchi and tsukemono are my favorites! I like the ginger carrots recipe in Nourishing Traditions too. I admit, though, I haven't made any of these in awhile. I eat lots of creme fraiche, because it's delicious and it's very high in fat. And it's made from the same bacteria that makes other fermented foods. So I thought I had my bases covered with that. But maybe I should experiment a bit and see. Thank you for the reminder! I agree completely about the mainstream deadbrainers take on fiber as a magical black box of health. I am thinking entirely in terms of a particular problem, dysbiosis, and fiber is the food digestive flora feed on. Ordinarily if you are eating whole foods, NK or SAD, you are almost certainly getting enough fiber to meet the needs of those gut dwellers I think. But if your gut is out of order then nursing it back to health with small thoughtful doses of fiber from a variety of fiber sources ala N of 1 is quite a different proposition from the mainstream fiber mania. And the rewards for attempting a therapeutic approach to fiber intake are very high. It seems to me that as long as there isn't an underlying pathological condition, something that is actively killing gut flora or actively making it impossible for them to live there, then restoration should be possible. If the antibiotics wiped out vast swaths of various colonies then carefully setting out the welcome mat, turning on the lights and making the environment as friendly for their return as possible can work. If that is not the case in our quick draw shoot from the hip antibiotic Rx'ng culture then how is it that everyone who is dosed with those drugs do not develop IBS-like symptoms for the rest of their lives?
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Post by reddarin on Nov 1, 2014 13:01:54 GMT -6
I got in early! I am the 208,765,028th viewer I like it. There are other 'you're beautiful' songs but this one is so catchy and upbeat.
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Nov 1, 2014 13:26:28 GMT -6
"All the right junk in the right places." Fun!
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Post by reddarin on Nov 1, 2014 13:32:40 GMT -6
I can do without the twerking but I love the other lyrics ... "every inch of you is perfect from the bottom to the top." and "tell them skinny b***" lol
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Nov 1, 2014 13:34:13 GMT -6
I only glanced at it--was listening--so I missed the twerking and other fun things.
Gretalyn--variety is good for the body generally.
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Post by reddarin on Nov 1, 2014 13:37:51 GMT -6
Seems like every song with a girl in it has twerking. I just do not see the attraction of trailer trash slutty stripper butt shaking. And it ain't cuz I'm an old guy either - I never have thought that crap was attractive.
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Post by reddarin on Nov 1, 2014 18:40:27 GMT -6
Numbers for today. Man. I was hungry today for some reason.
Calories: 3,834
Fat: 340 Pro: 163 Car: 49 KR: 2.17
78/17/5
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Nov 1, 2014 18:51:06 GMT -6
And you certainly filled up today, reddarin!
I am thinking I will get on the scale tomorrow morning if I sleep well. It has been a week, maybe two. Oh, ugh, we go off daylight savings time tonight. I miss that hour of light coming in the evening. Oh well!
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Post by gretalyn on Nov 2, 2014 7:52:05 GMT -6
I agree completely about the mainstream deadbrainers take on fiber as a magical black box of health. I am thinking entirely in terms of a particular problem, dysbiosis, and fiber is the food digestive flora feed on. Ah, I see! Yes, I agree. I was thinking that it was only the soluble fibers that are pre-biotic, but I'll look into it to make sure, and start doing some research about the different types, etc. Would you happen to know of any examples of things that could be actively killing gut flora or creating a hostile environment for them? I haven't taken antibiotics since going NK about 4 years ago now, so obviously it's not that (anymore). I also quit all sugar alcohols, hoping that was the source of the problem. Apparently it wasn't, but I haven't added them back because it's not like they're beneficial, and I learned to get by without them. I do drink a little alcohol: a glass or two of red wine on Friday and Saturday nights. I wouldn't think that would be enough, and the problems don't seem to be correlated to it, but please correct me if I'm wrong. One thing I can think of that I've changed (possibly NOT for the better) in the last year or two is that I've been drinking a lot more iced tea than I used to, and I sweeten it with saccharine. I like stevia, so I could switch. When I was growing up, my mom always made iced tea sweetened with saccharine over the summers, so it's a nostalgia thing I guess! I was reading recently about the exceptionally high levels of fluoride in tea, so maybe it's more about that than about the saccharin? Maybe I should switch to herbal and see what happens. I also use Splenda to make a "mock Danish" for breakfast sometimes, or a 3-minute flourless chocolate cake (recipes from Linda's Low Carb) from time to time. I don't eat that much of these, though, certainly not every day, and the frequency has not changed in a very long time. So I kind of doubt it's that, but again, I'm open to being corrected. If that is not the case in our quick draw shoot from the hip antibiotic Rx'ng culture then how is it that everyone who is dosed with those drugs do not develop IBS-like symptoms for the rest of their lives?Yes, plus, if it's impossible to recover from antibiotics, then why did I have two good years before this return of symptoms? Editing to add: I think I keep getting my time scale messed up. 2004-2007 was the first time I went low-carb. 2008-2009 SAD: I kept getting sick all the time, took a ton of antibiotics, gained weight, etc. Spring 2010 went LC/NK and got better. Late summer or early fall of 2013, digestive problems returned.
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Post by gretalyn on Nov 2, 2014 8:05:53 GMT -6
Seems like every song with a girl in it has twerking. I just do not see the attraction of trailer trash slutty stripper butt shaking. And it ain't cuz I'm an old guy either - I never have thought that crap was attractive. Thank you for saying this because I have honestly wondered why (if) men find it attractive. To me, it just reeks of desperation.
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Post by gretalyn on Nov 2, 2014 8:09:01 GMT -6
The scale hit 134.0 this morning. I normally bounce around between 131-132, so I'm not thrilled. But not surprised either considering my diet this weekend.
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Nov 2, 2014 9:25:31 GMT -6
Any added stressful life conditions Gretalyn? Could be a source of digestive upset.
I, too, got on the scale and was 135.8. Not great for me. Still the very good thing that did happen was that this is usually about the number where I go crazy with the "what is wrong with me" self-talk, or "how could I be doing this again?!" kinda of madness. Instead it was "oh, okay. I can fix that."
Off to church, later.
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Post by reddarin on Nov 2, 2014 10:59:07 GMT -6
I agree completely about the mainstream deadbrainers take on fiber as a magical black box of health. I am thinking entirely in terms of a particular problem, dysbiosis, and fiber is the food digestive flora feed on. Ah, I see! Yes, I agree. I was thinking that it was only the soluble fibers that are pre-biotic, but I'll look into it to make sure, and start doing some research about the different types, etc. Would you happen to know of any examples of things that could be actively killing gut flora or creating a hostile environment for them? I haven't taken antibiotics since going NK about 4 years ago now, so obviously it's not that (anymore). I also quit all sugar alcohols, hoping that was the source of the problem. Apparently it wasn't, but I haven't added them back because it's not like they're beneficial, and I learned to get by without them. I do drink a little alcohol: a glass or two of red wine on Friday and Saturday nights. I wouldn't think that would be enough, and the problems don't seem to be correlated to it, but please correct me if I'm wrong. One thing I can think of that I've changed (possibly NOT for the better) in the last year or two is that I've been drinking a lot more iced tea than I used to, and I sweeten it with saccharine. I like stevia, so I could switch. When I was growing up, my mom always made iced tea sweetened with saccharine over the summers, so it's a nostalgia thing I guess! I was reading recently about the exceptionally high levels of fluoride in tea, so maybe it's more about that than about the saccharin? Maybe I should switch to herbal and see what happens. I also use Splenda to make a "mock Danish" for breakfast sometimes, or a 3-minute flourless chocolate cake (recipes from Linda's Low Carb) from time to time. I don't eat that much of these, though, certainly not every day, and the frequency has not changed in a very long time. So I kind of doubt it's that, but again, I'm open to being corrected. If that is not the case in our quick draw shoot from the hip antibiotic Rx'ng culture then how is it that everyone who is dosed with those drugs do not develop IBS-like symptoms for the rest of their lives?Yes, plus, if it's impossible to recover from antibiotics, then why did I have two good years before this return of symptoms? Editing to add: I think I keep getting my time scale messed up. 2004-2007 was the first time I went low-carb. 2008-2009 SAD: I kept getting sick all the time, took a ton of antibiotics, gained weight, etc. Spring 2010 went LC/NK and got better. Late summer or early fall of 2013, digestive problems returned. "I was thinking that it was only the soluble fibers that are pre-biotic,This is one of those things where the mainstream may have oversimplified how pro/pre biotics work. Soluble fiber may well be *it* but insoluble fiber may play some indirect but crucial helper role. I believe Einstein was presciently speaking to the mainstream nutritional zombies when he said "Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler." "Would you happen to know of any examples of things that could be actively killing gut flora or creating a hostile environment for them?"No but I haven't done any research to speak of on gut flora. Off the top of my head I think a likely suspect would be acidity or alkalinity - if your PH is slightly out of whack that might account for the sudden relapse after enjoying a couple of years of relief. If that is the case you might fix things but figuring out what is throwing your PH out of balance; e.g. fixing *that* problem may resolve the other problem. Do you ever have symptoms, however mild or brief, of indigestion or heartburn after eating? Either could point towards which condition is borderline. Thinking along those lines, it is important that you consider the gut flora issue holistically and whole body iykwim. Tangential issues could be presenting themselves as digestive flora problems similar to the way back problems can present as headaches or body pains far removed from the actual back issue causing the pain. Work on the flora directly but try not to get tunnel vision. You know? "I do drink a little alcohol: a glass or two of red wine on Friday and Saturday nights."Off hand it seems an unlikely suspect. You might see how it affects PH though just to rule out that vector. Or I could be completely wrong about PH; we cannot discount that possibility. I mean, I know acidity/alkalinity can zap microorganisms but I don't know if that is the problem in your case. I'm inclined to doubt that AFs are affecting things. The tea could be a player. A few weeks ago I was making tea and it was coming out a bit bitter so I added the secret ingredient to remove bitterness - baking soda - and then I started having problems with indigestion. So I went back to store bought tea, which is magically non-bitter, and the indigestion disappeared so clearly the added baking soda was enough to depress my stomach acid. I took OTC heartburn crap for *years* so there's no telling how much damage I did to my body's ability to keep stomach acid at the right levels/strength. I'm going to experiment with that again because I think I was just using too much baking soda and I never did try seeing how little I could use to remove the bitterness.
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Post by clueless on Nov 2, 2014 11:11:09 GMT -6
gretalyn how are the cramps in your shoulders and neck? reddarin how is your ankle?
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Post by reddarin on Nov 2, 2014 11:15:48 GMT -6
Seems like every song with a girl in it has twerking. I just do not see the attraction of trailer trash slutty stripper butt shaking. And it ain't cuz I'm an old guy either - I never have thought that crap was attractive. Thank you for saying this because I have honestly wondered why (if) men find it attractive. To me, it just reeks of desperation. There has to be some sizable percentage that find it enticing but there is also a sizable percentage of men that are jerks through and through. I think the bubbles probably overlap 99% lol. What really puzzles me is the women that do it that have apparently convinced themselves that slutty is the same thing as sexy. The damn thing is, men have proven for a bajillion years that while they can and do respect and desire sexy they never respect slutty.
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Post by reddarin on Nov 2, 2014 11:16:52 GMT -6
gretalyn how are the cramps in your shoulders and neck? reddarin how is your ankle? Still swole up But still not really bothering me or painful. Very puzzling.
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Post by clueless on Nov 2, 2014 11:23:53 GMT -6
reddarin how long do you steep your tea when you make it? DH used to make tea before we were married and he just left it to steep for however long, it was bitter. I only steep mine 3 to 5 minutes. When I make tea to take to a get together I set a timer and only steep it 3 minutes, they all love my tea and ask how I make it. They just steep it too long. I also don't steep it till the boiling stops or just get the water good and hot but not boiling. I believe the tea gets bitter if the water is too hot.
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Post by reddarin on Nov 2, 2014 11:24:53 GMT -6
Weigh-in this morning 180.3 and up point eight for a two point three pound bounce over the last two days. My ankle is still swollen although possibly a little less so today than the last couple of days. Also I feel off today so maybe whatever is causing the inflammation is finally making itself known? Or perhaps I feel dragged down because my body is finally marshaling the troops to defeat the unknown issue? And! despite almost 4,000 calories yesterday, 28g of CO and 3oz of HWC this morning with coffee I actually feel a bit hungry. I think it is related to the generally 'off' feeling I've had since getting up. I'm not sick but I'm not well.
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Post by reddarin on Nov 2, 2014 11:27:24 GMT -6
reddarin how long do you steep your tea when you make it? DH used to make tea before we were married and he just left it to steep for however long, it was bitter. I only steep mine 3 to 5 minutes. When I make tea to take to a get together I set a timer and only steep it 3 minutes, they all love my tea and ask how I make it. They just steep it too long. I also don't steep it till the boiling stops or just get the water good and hot but not boiling. I believe the tea gets bitter if the water is too hot. Yes, that is what I was thinking too - brewed too long. I have the tea specially formulated for iced tea so it only requires 3 to 5 minutes but I was favoring the five minute mark. I'm going to do the 3 minute brew and carefully remove the bags without squeezing to see how that works. I didn't wring the bags out before but I did let them sort of drain a bit holding them over the container.
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Post by clueless on Nov 2, 2014 11:42:04 GMT -6
Weigh-in this morning 180.3 and up point eight for a two point three pound bounce over the last two days. My ankle is still swollen although possibly a little less so today than the last couple of days. Also I feel off today so maybe whatever is causing the inflammation is finally making itself known? Or perhaps I feel dragged down because my body is finally marshaling the troops to defeat the unknown issue? And! despite almost 4,000 calories yesterday, 28g of CO and 3oz of HWC this morning with coffee I actually feel a bit hungry. I think it is related to the generally 'off' feeling I've had since getting up. I'm not sick but I'm not well. that was an awesome video.
My appetite is always crazy when I feel off.
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Post by clueless on Nov 2, 2014 11:49:12 GMT -6
reddarin how long do you steep your tea when you make it? DH used to make tea before we were married and he just left it to steep for however long, it was bitter. I only steep mine 3 to 5 minutes. When I make tea to take to a get together I set a timer and only steep it 3 minutes, they all love my tea and ask how I make it. They just steep it too long. I also don't steep it till the boiling stops or just get the water good and hot but not boiling. I believe the tea gets bitter if the water is too hot. Yes, that is what I was thinking too - brewed too long. I have the tea specially formulated for iced tea so it only requires 3 to 5 minutes but I was favoring the five minute mark. I'm going to do the 3 minute brew and carefully remove the bags without squeezing to see how that works. I didn't wring the bags out before but I did let them sort of drain a bit holding them over the container. Also it may depend of how much you are making. When I make a quart of tea I steep it even less, 2 minutes. 3 minutes is for a gallon.
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Post by reddarin on Nov 2, 2014 11:59:59 GMT -6
Yeah I love that video lol
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Nov 2, 2014 13:16:28 GMT -6
new month! new thread?
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Post by reddarin on Nov 2, 2014 13:17:48 GMT -6
Wups! I'll put it up here shortly
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Post by reddarin on Nov 2, 2014 13:22:42 GMT -6
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