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Post by gretalyn on Nov 10, 2014 20:23:11 GMT -6
And! We've never seen them in the same room at the same time. Hrmm...
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Post by gretalyn on Nov 10, 2014 20:27:03 GMT -6
Yes, but I have to admit that I didn't do very many. I could tell that it was working the muscles more (and/or in different ways) than usual, so I took it pretty easy. But I definitely think he's on to something! Yeah, I can feel it all over too. I've been wanting something better than calf raises for glutes and those past parallel squats definitely hit the glutes. I've been doing Romanian deadlifts for glutes, but they don't seem all that effective - probably because I can't do them with much weight without aggravating my piriformis pain. We also do some glute stuff in barre class, but that's just bodyweight. So I have high hopes for this new method of squats!
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Post by gretalyn on Nov 10, 2014 20:33:35 GMT -6
Yes, the neighbors think we're crazy
I bet your neighbors love it! I know that we would if we were your neighbors. There is a family in our neighborhood that goes ALL OUT for Halloween. I mean, they could charge admission to their yard, it's so amazing. I consider it a community service, and think it is most kind of them! Visiting their house is a highlight of the holiday. I bet your neighbors feel the same way! (My daughter didn't go trick or treating this year, for the first time, because she feels she's too old now. But we still went and visited that house!)
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Post by gretalyn on Nov 10, 2014 20:41:19 GMT -6
One of these days, I am going to make it through the entire weekend without a single cheat meal. One of these days!!! Why is it that I can do just fine all week, and then all my resolve (as well as my common sense) goes out the window? Did fine today, though.
On an entirely unrelated note . . .
Has anyone else seen Interstellar yet? And did you love it as much as I did? (And that was a lot, btw!)
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Post by clueless on Nov 11, 2014 5:32:58 GMT -6
One of these days, I am going to make it through the entire weekend without a single cheat meal. One of these days!!! Why is it that I can do just fine all week, and then all my resolve (as well as my common sense) goes out the window? Did fine today, though. On an entirely unrelated note . . . Has anyone else seen Interstellar yet? And did you love it as much as I did? (And that was a lot, btw!) But you do so well and maintain your weight wonderfully, why not just enjoy a cheat meal every weekend and not worry about it. Are you trying to lose more or does the cheat meal make you feel bad?
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Post by clueless on Nov 11, 2014 5:55:23 GMT -6
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Nov 11, 2014 7:25:29 GMT -6
:thumbsup:That's the definition of "going all out", Storytha,on your Halloween decorations. Gretalyn, I am curious, too, what your answer is to Cheryl's question: what is the bother to you regarding choosing to eat differently once a weekend as you are at your target weight, right? Maybe reframing using the word "cheat" might be of help to you. Cheryl! You've done so much for yourself this past year. That no longer needing allergy meds is phenomenal. You'll do the work that reaches your goal of a lower body weight. I wish it were easy, too, in the sense of "if I always do A, then B will always happen." Sigh--not. those pesky hormones. ... and have you had any interest in your paintings at the library? Had a bread day (ugh!) last Friday. Doing well enough since. I have a push/pull with tracking stuff about food. Right now I am not for it. And I am not on the scale either. Clothes are telling me enough.
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Post by reddarin on Nov 11, 2014 9:48:00 GMT -6
Yeah, I can feel it all over too. I've been wanting something better than calf raises for glutes and those past parallel squats definitely hit the glutes. I've been doing Romanian deadlifts for glutes, but they don't seem all that effective - probably because I can't do them with much weight without aggravating my piriformis pain. We also do some glute stuff in barre class, but that's just bodyweight. So I have high hopes for this new method of squats! How much trouble do you have with the piriformis Greta? I had to look that up heh. Man *that* muscle looks like it was placed there just to cause pain later in life. Can you isolate the maximus muscle with isometric or static contraction exercises without engaging the piriformis enough to cause pain?
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Post by reddarin on Nov 11, 2014 9:54:41 GMT -6
One of these days, I am going to make it through the entire weekend without a single cheat meal. One of these days!!! Why is it that I can do just fine all week, and then all my resolve (as well as my common sense) goes out the window? Did fine today, though. On an entirely unrelated note . . . Has anyone else seen Interstellar yet? And did you love it as much as I did? (And that was a lot, btw!) Will power is weakest over the weekend after a long work week and idle hands are the carb devil's workshop. But I agree with clueless - if it isn't a show stopper just throw the stress and guilt overboard and enjoy it maybe even plan it to make the most of it. No!! But I'm a gonna and I'm glad to hear you loved it
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Post by gretalyn on Nov 11, 2014 10:11:56 GMT -6
Cheryl and Pam, that's a very good question! Thank you for making me think about this more deeply. You're right, my weight is really not the issue. I mean, it will bounce up a bit after one of these cheats, but it also goes back down after a day or two. So there are really (possibly?) two issues that could be of concern.
1. Since I have reactive hypoglycemia and a family history of diabetes, I think that cheat meals are of potential danger to me. I can control this somewhat, because I've learned that the earlier in the day that I have a cheat meal, the more likely it is to cause a reactive hypoglycemic episode. But if I have my cheat meal as the evening meal, it's not a problem. (I don't know why that is, but that has been my experience.) Still, is letting my blood sugar go too high and then possibly too low even just once a week going to increase my risk of developing health complications later on? I don' t honestly know the answer to that, but it does seem more prudent to try to keep my blood sugar nice and steady, at all times, without exception.
2. Before I was ketogenic, my immune system was really weak. I was constantly getting sick, taking antibiotics, etc. I really do not want to go back to that! It hasn't been a problem as far as I can tell, but does one cheat meal per week threaten a person's NK status (so to speak)? Am I playing with fire by doing this -- meaning if I get exposed to a "bug" in the day or two after my cheat meal, will my immune system be able to handle it?
Any thoughts?
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Post by clueless on Nov 11, 2014 10:29:03 GMT -6
I don't know Greta. But one thought about the hypoglycemia, having a shot of acv in water before the cheat meal my reduce the affect of the carbs on your blood sugar.
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Post by reddarin on Nov 11, 2014 10:42:54 GMT -6
:thumbsup:That's the definition of "going all out", Storytha,on your Halloween decorations. Gretalyn, I am curious, too, what your answer is to Cheryl's question: what is the bother to you regarding choosing to eat differently once a weekend as you are at your target weight, right? Maybe reframing using the word "cheat" might be of help to you. Cheryl! You've done so much for yourself this past year. That no longer needing allergy meds is phenomenal. You'll do the work that reaches your goal of a lower body weight. I wish it were easy, too, in the sense of "if I always do A, then B will always happen." Sigh--not. those pesky hormones. ... and have you had any interest in your paintings at the library? Had a bread day (ugh!) last Friday. Doing well enough since. I have a push/pull with tracking stuff about food. Right now I am not for it. And I am not on the scale either. Clothes are telling me enough. " Maybe reframing using the word "cheat" might be of help to you." "if I always do A, then B will always happen." *This*. If you do the right things then good results will eventually come about but that is *always* in the context of the macro not the micro because there are very few truly linear and one to one relationships where metabolism is concerned. For example, intelligently limiting carbs will always produce healthy results because it is impossible to be glucose deficient but a general (macro) state of health is one thing and weight loss is another specific (micro) thing. "Clothes are telling me enough."
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Post by gretalyn on Nov 11, 2014 10:43:47 GMT -6
I've been doing Romanian deadlifts for glutes, but they don't seem all that effective - probably because I can't do them with much weight without aggravating my piriformis pain. We also do some glute stuff in barre class, but that's just bodyweight. So I have high hopes for this new method of squats! How much trouble do you have with the piriformis Greta? I had to look that up heh. Man *that* muscle looks like it was placed there just to cause pain later in life. Can you isolate the maximus muscle with isometric or static contraction exercises without engaging the piriformis enough to cause pain? Oh, man, you probably don't want to hear me complain about the ten years of pain and untold amounts of money wasted trying to treat it. Let's just say this is why I've become skeptical (to put it mildly) about chiropractors and other alternative medicine practices. You name it, I tried it: chiropractic, yoga, pilates, accupuncture, massage, reiki, rolfing, so on and so forth. None of them accomplished anything, except emptying my wallet. Finally out of absolute sheer desperation, I went to my MD about it. I had never done so because I thought the only treatments he could offer would be pain pills or maybe steroid injections, neither of which was of interest to me. But we were about to go on the vacation of a life time (London -- if you look really closely at my avatar pic, you might be able to tell!) and I did not want it to be ruined by the terrible pain I was in. At that point, I was in the midst of the worst flare-up of my life: eight months and counting. I couldn't sit for five minutes without being near tears, and we were about to spend nine hours on a plane! So I decided I would take the pain pills. It took my MD about 60 seconds to diagnose me with piriformis syndrome. He referred me to a physical therapist (no pain pills, no steriods) and assured me I would feel much better in time for my vacation. He was right - the physical therapy was like a miracle. I still have flare-ups from time to time, but NEVER anything as bad as before. And if I would remember to do my PT exercises consistently, I probably wouldn't have them at all! But I guess I get kind of complacent when I feel well, and I don't think to do them. But certain movements, and sitting too much, will still aggravate it, and I haven't figured out all the details. The PT exercises (especially one called the clamshell) will alleviate it very quickly. Piriformis syndrome is actually caused by a weakened piriformis muscle (usually weakened by too much sitting) that will start to spasm and thus cause pain. For me, it presents at the base of the spine (sacrum and tailbone area) radiating into my left hip. Strengthening the muscle is the key to treatment, but it can be a little tricky because overtaxing it will cause it to spasm. So you have to do a slow and steady approach. So compound movements that engage it can sometimes be a blessing, and sometimes a curse. It's pretty unpredictable. If I would do my PT more consistently, maybe that wouldn't be a problem! So, I'm still experimenting and figuring all of this out. Barre actually aggravates it, so I limit that to once per week or less. Squats don't hurt it at all, and probably help it, so I'm trying to put a lot of my fitness focus there. Romanian deadlifts were definitely a trigger, but there are other types of deadlifts, so maybe I will experiment with those. Mopping kills me. Seriously, I don't know what it is about the motion of mopping a floor, but it is the WORST. I have to mop on my hands and knees, consequently my floors don't get mopped nearly as often as they need it!
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Post by reddarin on Nov 11, 2014 10:44:45 GMT -6
Weigh-in this morning 177.5, down one point one and day seven held hostage by the 177s with negotiations ongoing.
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Post by gretalyn on Nov 11, 2014 10:47:10 GMT -6
I haven't answered all the posts that I want to, but I have to run for now. I'll try to check back in this evening. Thanks, guys, you are the best!
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Post by reddarin on Nov 11, 2014 11:07:56 GMT -6
Cheryl and Pam, that's a very good question! Thank you for making me think about this more deeply. You're right, my weight is really not the issue. I mean, it will bounce up a bit after one of these cheats, but it also goes back down after a day or two. So there are really (possibly?) two issues that could be of concern. 1. Since I have reactive hypoglycemia and a family history of diabetes, I think that cheat meals are of potential danger to me. I can control this somewhat, because I've learned that the earlier in the day that I have a cheat meal, the more likely it is to cause a reactive hypoglycemic episode. But if I have my cheat meal as the evening meal, it's not a problem. (I don't know why that is, but that has been my experience.) Still, is letting my blood sugar go too high and then possibly too low even just once a week going to increase my risk of developing health complications later on? I don' t honestly know the answer to that, but it does seem more prudent to try to keep my blood sugar nice and steady, at all times, without exception. 2. Before I was ketogenic, my immune system was really weak. I was constantly getting sick, taking antibiotics, etc. I really do not want to go back to that! It hasn't been a problem as far as I can tell, but does one cheat meal per week threaten a person's NK status (so to speak)? Am I playing with fire by doing this -- meaning if I get exposed to a "bug" in the day or two after my cheat meal, will my immune system be able to handle it? Any thoughts? Well, that does put it in a different light since NK is both actively therapeutic and a weight maintenance tool for you Greta. Definitely formalize the excursion meal. If you plan for it you can plan it and control it. Then it isn't a matter of will power because you've already made the decision and don't have to make choices when your powers of self-control are at their lowest. That will also allow you to minimize the bad carbs nature of it. For example, you can minimize the bad carbs by maximizing the guilty high calorie good fats and protein of the meal. Even if you plan for frankenfood it can still be within the realm of LC like Bryer's LC ice cream or some other generally unhealthy but still LC friendly indulgence. "but does one cheat meal per week threaten a person's NK status (so to speak)?" Yes and no. Yes, you will fall outside of the parameters of NK. No the general benefits of being 90% NK won't, or shouldn't, disappear as long as the off-meal isn't six pizzas, five state fair cotton candy thingies and a gallon of blue bell ice cream - because most of the benefits of NK are the same benefits that LC provides on a day to day basis. "Am I playing with fire by doing this" I imagine that this really hinges on the nature of the excursion meal. A day of hedonistic eating probably will have consequences but a reasonable meal of pleasure probably won't. Be circumspect about assigning blame to the excursion meal with an eye towards the trend over time. You know? Getting sick a few days after one excursion meal is pure correlation but if it happens several times that is certainly causation as far as N of 1 is concerned. In that case tweak the excursion meal if you are enjoying the freedom of it or give it the heave ho if it has become unimportant. But when it comes to a meal like that there are a zillion tweaks you can explore if you are enjoying them.
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Nov 11, 2014 14:58:26 GMT -6
I think, Gretalyn, you've proven that one off-NK meal a week is not a slippery slope for you. It would be for me and that is all about the mental aspect of it. Perhaps your once-a-weekend is about "It's the weekend so I'll treat myself." I agree with how reddarin said this "Be circumspect about assigning blame to the excursion meal with an eye towards the trend over time."
I encourage you to rename that off-track meal to something other than "cheat." It is making you feel guilty by your own admission. What if it is a treat meal? Not-my-usual-way-of-eating meal? You are choosing to eat that way because it is fulfilling something in you. What is that? Is it the rebelliousness of it? It's something. Not dire nor nefarious but something. Be good for you to discover the reason. You said it earlier yourself: Why do I .... Answer that question.
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Post by reddarin on Nov 11, 2014 20:57:43 GMT -6
Numbers for today.
Calories: 2,563
Fat: 225 Pro: 105 Car: 34 KR: 2.16
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Nov 12, 2014 7:12:44 GMT -6
Well, our version of cold has arrived this morning (we got into the 30s last night and have a high of 50ish). I am okay with that as long as we don't have three or four days of grey weather. I don't like that. I made some bread yesterday (coconut/almond flours base) that was pretty good. Think quick bread more than French bread or anything. As I was making it I thought: what a bother! I think that is mostly about not having a water heater in the house at the moment so washing dishes to actually be clean involves lots of tea kettle water. (It isn't difficult, I am merely spoiled.) It amazes me how many carbs are in such things even staying away from wheat and the like. There is no free pass with it. I've been a little more physically active these last few days and that is always good. As it was mostly zero, it is super good. One must begin somewhere. This morning I am meeting friends at a soul-food restaurant for breakfast. We meet once a week and I usually drink coffee, not eating breakfast. I picked this place and I am going to eat whatever I want. Call it my birthday meal.
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Post by clueless on Nov 12, 2014 9:16:01 GMT -6
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Post by gretalyn on Nov 12, 2014 10:21:07 GMT -6
Cheryl, I wanted to say this yesterday, and ran out of time. Congratulations on getting things figured out and taking charge like that! It's such a good feeling to know that you're in control and headed in the right direction. And I am so very impressed that you were able to get off your allergy meds. You rock! I also wanted to apologize to everyone because this morning I got this strong deja vu feeling that I had given you all my sad piriformis story before! So please forgive me if that long rambling post was a repeat. Goodness, I need to pay more attention to what I'm saying! Lastly, thank you all so very much for your advice regarding my weekend dietary excursions. I've been thinking a lot about what you said, and I think that what I will experiment with is this: - making it a planned and controled TREAT, not cheat (love that terminology, Pam!) - chosing ONE FOOD to be my indulgence. Not an entire meal, and definitely not an entire day. (So, for example, if we're having mexican, I might decide to have the tortilla chips. Or maybe I'll have dessert after the meal. But not both!) I think that if I do those two things, I can minimize any risk to my blood sugar and immune system, and let go of the guilt!
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Nov 12, 2014 10:29:56 GMT -6
Hey Cheryl--that's cool about the turkey. For breakfast I ate biscuits and gravy. Yum! I am surprised I not in a food coma.
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Nov 12, 2014 10:32:21 GMT -6
Way to go Gretalyn! Enjoy your treat this weekend.
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Post by clueless on Nov 12, 2014 10:38:04 GMT -6
Greta, I do not remember hearing that story before. I thought it was very interesting, I am glad you shared it. I have a problem similar to that and I am planning to read up a little more to see if I can find some exercises to help. Thanks for the encouragement. I didn't really think I had anything figured out but I like the way that sounds so I am gonna go with it. reddarin where are ya today?
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Post by reddarin on Nov 12, 2014 11:11:13 GMT -6
Checking in heh back in a few mins....
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Post by clueless on Nov 12, 2014 11:12:43 GMT -6
rejoicealways8 I forgot to answer you yesterday. I don't know how it is going at the library. I hope to go by there today. There is a business owner in town that is interested in hanging my paintings in his store. Cross your fingers on that one.
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Post by clueless on Nov 12, 2014 11:26:23 GMT -6
I am gonna try to post a pic of our art show
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Post by clueless on Nov 12, 2014 11:32:32 GMT -6
Well I guess That was too hard to see. Here is one I did Monday.
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Post by reddarin on Nov 12, 2014 12:03:05 GMT -6
Weigh-in this morning 175.3 for a big ol' whoosh of two point two pounds which is very nice but, dang it, I ended up W'ngI about two hours later than usual, which almost always produces a great WI, *and* yesterday I was busy and fasted all the way up to 7pm before finally eating. I had about 700 calories with morning CO/HWC but that was it until the other ~2000 between 7 and 9 pm. I reckon the very late WI accounts for most of the drop though.
Ah NK. God bless you. Before NK/LC there is no way on earth I could have gone that long without eating. I was hungry, no doubt about that, but in control. What a wonderful, wonderful feeling of empowerment. Thank you Dr. Phinney, Dr. Davis and Mr. Taubes.
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