kristinsgoals
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Post by kristinsgoals on Feb 7, 2014 13:05:51 GMT -6
Hi Darin! I've only tried the chocolate and vanilla. I like them both! I wonder if the strawberry flavor is good? I've put frozen strawberries in the Six Star chocolate flavor (and the vanilla flavor) and that was really good. Especially with some 90% chocolate bar thrown in too. I don't particularly like strawberry-flavored things, so I will stick to the chocolate and vanilla. .....now the 90% chocolate bar addition sounds lovely.....
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kristinsgoals
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Post by kristinsgoals on Feb 7, 2014 13:07:14 GMT -6
Armpit fudge.....that's hysterical!!!
Scale down .6 for me too!! 158.6
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Post by clueless on Feb 7, 2014 13:13:44 GMT -6
Armpit fudge.....that's hysterical!!! Scale down .6 for me too!! 158.6 WAHOOOOOO!!!!!!!! Man Kristin, you are seeing some awesome results.
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Post by reddarin on Feb 7, 2014 13:42:53 GMT -6
The scale numbered reduced .6 this morning to 129. Yea me! Hooray Pam!!!
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Post by reddarin on Feb 7, 2014 13:43:34 GMT -6
Armpit fudge.....that's hysterical!!! Scale down .6 for me too!! 158.6 Hooray Kristin!!!
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Post by reddarin on Feb 7, 2014 13:44:49 GMT -6
I don't particularly like strawberry-flavored things, so I will stick to the chocolate and vanilla. .....now the 90% chocolate bar addition sounds lovely..... Ooooooh, the chocolate bits are sooooo good Also, if you can spare the carbs, 20g or so of PB is excellent!
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Post by reddarin on Feb 7, 2014 14:29:09 GMT -6
So, yesterday and the day before I broke my fledgling IF where I was not eating until after 5pm every day. Today I have already broken it with some almonds.
While I had found it relatively easy to abstain from eating until 5pm, I found that it was very difficult three days ago and impossible two days ago, yesterday and today.
Why is that, I wonder? Could it be related to muscle hypertrophy? Wednesday was the day before my scheduled WO. Thursday was my scheduled workout (which I did not do - I forgot). I considered doing my WO today but the increased appetite strikes me as a curious phenomenon.
I googled around but couldn't find anything about a relationship between muscle mass accretion and hunger. But HIT strength training while LC (with the naturally resulting appetite suppression) is about as niche as you can get I reckon. Most strength training has two distinct phases - cutting and bulking. I only WO every 5th day so the hunger can't be directly attributed to my infrequent HITs (ala Taubes).
I'm gonna pig out today. Damn the scale tomorrow. I am also probably going to delay my next WO for a few days.
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Post by storytha on Feb 7, 2014 15:39:59 GMT -6
Yay Friday! It snowed here 3". More expected tonight. That's good because the temperature had to come UP for it to snow. The bitter bitter cold really bothers me. Now it 17-25 degs. I can handle that. My numbers from yesterday: Cals 1175 Fat 84.78 Carbs 32.11 Prot 72.47 B- Coffee w/ HWC & CO L- Teriyaki Chicken & veggies -had the sauce on the side (Panda express-wasn't very good. Won't go back.) D- LC Meatloaf, green olives (5 carbs in ketchup but you simply CAN'T have meatloaf w/o ketchup) S- Cinnamon almonds Weigh in: 276.8 for 1.8 loss from Tuesday. My fast food bump in the road didn't derail me too much. I am amazed at the amount of protein in 4% cottage cheese. Kinda worth the carb hit for lunch today. I also found and tried that Oscar Meyer P3 cheese, nuts, meat package. Very nice!! I'm going to keep some of those in my office fridge for mid morning snacks. I also found a 4 pack of mini dill pickles. Yum! Well, Heck. I usually don't log on here during the weekends so I'll just post my Friday numbers as well. DH's birthday is today and we will be going to our favorite locally owned steak/seafood restaurant and I know what I'll be getting there. So for today: Cals: 1338 Fat: 77.68g Carbs: 26.7g Prot: 90.51g B- diet coke L- Cottage cheese (4%), P3 protein pack, pickles, diet snapple peach tea D- Steak, steamed veggies, salad bar, martini Happy weekend everyone!! Stay warm and safe!
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storytha
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Post by storytha on Feb 7, 2014 15:55:04 GMT -6
Armpit fudge.....that's hysterical!!! Scale down .6 for me too!! 158.6 Down, down, down!
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Post by storytha on Feb 7, 2014 15:56:30 GMT -6
The scale numbered reduced .6 this morning to 129. Yea me! Yea you!
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Post by storytha on Feb 7, 2014 15:57:44 GMT -6
Do they make a peanut butter flavored low carb protein shake? That would be nummy!! You could add banana or chocolate to it. Drool!
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kristinsgoals
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Post by kristinsgoals on Feb 7, 2014 16:14:27 GMT -6
So, yesterday and the day before I broke my fledgling IF where I was not eating until after 5pm every day. Today I have already broken it with some almonds. While I had found it relatively easy to abstain from eating until 5pm, I found that it was very difficult three days ago and impossible two days ago, yesterday and today. Why is that, I wonder? Could it be related to muscle hypertrophy? Wednesday was the day before my scheduled WO. Thursday was my scheduled workout (which I did not do - I forgot). I considered doing my WO today but the increased appetite strikes me as a curious phenomenon. I googled around but couldn't find anything about a relationship between muscle mass accretion and hunger. But HIT strength training while LC (with the naturally resulting appetite suppression) is about as niche as you can get I reckon. Most strength training has two distinct phases - cutting and bulking. I only WO every 5th day so the hunger can't be directly attributed to my infrequent HITs (ala Taubes). I'm gonna pig out today. Damn the scale tomorrow. I am also probably going to delay my next WO for a few days. I really enjoy having you talk all this out, Darin.....even though I don't have an eensy bit of a clue what muscle mass accretion is. So, you fit all your calories in between 5pm and bedtime? No, wait....you have coffee with fat before that, but you just don't eat protein or carbs before then, right?
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kristinsgoals
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Post by kristinsgoals on Feb 7, 2014 16:15:13 GMT -6
YAY for the weight loss, Kathy!! And OMG! that weather is too cold for me!!!
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kristinsgoals
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Post by kristinsgoals on Feb 7, 2014 16:15:35 GMT -6
Do they make a peanut butter flavored low carb protein shake? That would be nummy!! You could add banana or chocolate to it. Drool! yummmmmmm
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Post by storytha on Feb 7, 2014 16:30:19 GMT -6
Do they make a peanut butter flavored low carb protein shake? That would be nummy!! You could add banana or chocolate to it. Drool! yummmmmmm I did find one but it's 8 carbs. Might as well use real peanut butter in a vanilla shake.
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kristinsgoals
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Post by kristinsgoals on Feb 7, 2014 16:33:48 GMT -6
I did find one but it's 8 carbs. Might as well use real peanut butter in a vanilla shake. I do love chocolate and bananas and peanut butter.....
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Feb 7, 2014 18:56:39 GMT -6
Yay Friday! It snowed here 3". Where is "here"?
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Post by clueless on Feb 7, 2014 19:46:50 GMT -6
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Post by clueless on Feb 7, 2014 19:54:22 GMT -6
Log for Today Calories: 1782 * 85%
fat: 136.25g | protein: 80.42g | carbs: 74.49g Net carbs: 53g
Breakfast: cabbage cakes, sausage and eggs Lunch: jalapeños, cabbage, salad Dinner: chicken, cabbage, sweet potato, zucchini Snack: peanuts
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Post by reddarin on Feb 7, 2014 20:01:38 GMT -6
Numbers and log for today.
Calories: 3,326
Fat: 213 Pro: 292 Car: 63 KR: 1.32
56/36/7
Breakfast: Iced coffee & HWC, CO on the side. Lunch: Pork chops, jalapenos. Dinner: Shake w/almonds, chocolate and PB. Snack: Cocoa almonds.
Coconut oil....33 grams Cream, heavy, fluid....101 grams Almonds GV Cocoa....110 grams Pork, fresh, loin, sirloin (chops), boneless, separable lean.......680 grams Peppers, jalapeno, raw....7 pepper ProteinPowder SixStar DecChocolate....43 grams Milk, Almond Unsweet Vanilla....301 grams Almonds, roasted....28 grams Peanut butter....24 grams Lindt 90% Bar....29 grams
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Post by reddarin on Feb 7, 2014 20:15:41 GMT -6
I really enjoy having you talk all this out, Darin.....even though I don't have an eensy bit of a clue what muscle mass accretion is. So, you fit all your calories in between 5pm and bedtime? No, wait....you have coffee with fat before that, but you just don't eat protein or carbs before then, right? Muscle mass accretion was just a wordy way of saying hypertrophy or growing muscle tissue. What I wonder is if the physical process of growing new muscle tissue is energy intensive and the reason for the atypical hunger, particularly considering the normal appetite suppression I enjoy as an LC'r. The reason I space out my HIT workouts by four days is for recovery. Recovery is a multi-stage process and the last stage is where most of the new tissue is grown (as I understand it). So it strikes me as interesting that the time frame where new tissue should be developing seems to coincide with strangely increased hunger. Right. I have about 500 calories for coffee/HWC/CO in the morning and then nothing until about 5pm. Typically, I'd eat the other 2000 to 2200 calories between 5pm and 7pm. For IF purposes, the 500 calories in the morning have no impact on the beneficial aspects of IF since very little protein or carbs are in those calories.
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Post by gretalyn on Feb 7, 2014 21:20:36 GMT -6
Does anyone make their own ice cream? I do! I use heavy cream, half and half, a bit of vegetable glycerin to keep it soft when it freezes, and Da Vinci's or Torani syrup to flavor and sweeten it. Sometimes I add in other things like grated chocolate, instant coffee granules, peanut butter, chopped pecans, etc. I do use an ice cream maker. My husband and daughter love cream, so it was worth the investment. If you'd like, I'd be happy to provide you with my basic recipe.
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kristinsgoals
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Post by kristinsgoals on Feb 7, 2014 22:02:41 GMT -6
I really enjoy having you talk all this out, Darin.....even though I don't have an eensy bit of a clue what muscle mass accretion is. So, you fit all your calories in between 5pm and bedtime? No, wait....you have coffee with fat before that, but you just don't eat protein or carbs before then, right? Muscle mass accretion was just a wordy way of saying hypertrophy or growing muscle tissue. What I wonder is if the physical process of growing new muscle tissue is energy intensive and the reason for the atypical hunger, particularly considering the normal appetite suppression I enjoy as an LC'r. The reason I space out my HIT workouts by four days is for recovery. Recovery is a multi-stage process and the last stage is where most of the new tissue is grown (as I understand it). So it strikes me as interesting that the time frame where new tissue should be developing seems to coincide with strangely increased hunger. Right. I have about 500 calories for coffee/HWC/CO in the morning and then nothing until about 5pm. Typically, I'd eat the other 2000 to 2200 calories between 5pm and 7pm. For IF purposes, the 500 calories in the morning have no impact on the beneficial aspects of IF since very little protein or carbs are in those calories. Awesome! Thanks for the added explanation! Back in the fall, I was basically doing this same thing, however I was worried that my protein intake was too low and didn't really know if it was nor how to tell if it was. Then, there's that added thing that "they" say about having too much protein at one meal or too close together.....that the body can't process it. I'd love to hear your thoughts....
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kristinsgoals
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Post by kristinsgoals on Feb 7, 2014 22:07:12 GMT -6
Log for today....very sporadic day today. Don't feel confident about how these numbers ended up....
Calories: 1432
Fat: 91 Protein: 80 Carbs: 45
62/24/14
Breakfast - Body Fortress protein powder, CO, butter Lunch - steak, guacamole, sour cream Dinner - pork chops, little rice, 2 pieces pineapple Snack - 3 sugar-free mini-Reese's, 1 SF See's dark chocolate almond, 1 glass red wine
very unmotivated today to get my 10,000 steps done. Sporadic food, carbs and schedule don't help me focus!!
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Post by clueless on Feb 8, 2014 5:22:20 GMT -6
Does anyone make their own ice cream? I do! I use heavy cream, half and half, a bit of vegetable glycerin to keep it soft when it freezes, and Da Vinci's or Torani syrup to flavor and sweeten it. Sometimes I add in other things like grated chocolate, instant coffee granules, peanut butter, chopped pecans, etc. I do use an ice cream maker. My husband and daughter love cream, so it was worth the investment. If you'd like, I'd be happy to provide you with my basic recipe. That would be awesome, thanks. That sounds like a good recipe too. Ai don't really like using recipes that call for all kinds of things that are hard to find. We don't have any whole foods or trader Joes and any health food stores on our town so if you pretty much can't find it at WalMart you are outta luck, unless you want to order it. What kind of ice cream maker do you like to use?
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Post by clueless on Feb 8, 2014 7:22:28 GMT -6
Weight today 155.0, down .6.
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rejoicealways8
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Feb 8, 2014 8:09:57 GMT -6
Practicing telling myself I am not hungry. I really am not hungry; purposely being aware and wanting to avoid eating just because, it seems convenient, frustration and other things which have nothing to do with being hungry.
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Post by clueless on Feb 8, 2014 10:28:25 GMT -6
A friend of mine, ct, sent me a link to this Webinar a while back. It talks about how hormones are key players in weight. Though RoBiN <3>3 and some of you guys might like to give it a listen too. Here is a link to the site. Hope my links work.
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Post by reddarin on Feb 8, 2014 11:08:47 GMT -6
Awesome! Thanks for the added explanation! Back in the fall, I was basically doing this same thing, however I was worried that my protein intake was too low and didn't really know if it was nor how to tell if it was. Then, there's that added thing that "they" say about having too much protein at one meal or too close together.....that the body can't process it. I'd love to hear your thoughts.... This is where things get a bit complicated because there are a lot of moving parts and different aspects of metabolic functions. First, though, you were right to be concerned about protein deficiency. There are no overt symptoms that you are not eating enough protein. It is a bit hard to not eat enough, I think, to get by on. I read a post by someone on another forum that claimed to have achieved a self-diagnosed health crisis with prolonged very low protein in their menu which they attributed to NK despite the fact that NK is defined as *moderate* protein - I mean, damn, the plan is unique and differentiated from vanilla LC because of the defined protein range in particular and the goal of NK which is the fundamental shift in fuel homeostasis achieved by the defined range of protein and a hard ceiling on total carbs (and, an implied, sufficient intake of calories). But that person has made a lot of contradictory and very silly, really ludicrous, posts. Even fall out of your chair in a dead faint level of posts. I digress. If you are eating 1 to 2 grams per kg of reference bodyweight [or 0.45g to 0.9g per pound of reference bodyweight], you are getting enough protein if you do not have too much of a calorie deficit [all else being equal]. Protein timing... It is an interesting line of thought and there are compelling arguments for it but I do not find the logical endpoint to be sound. If you *must* time your protein then your body *must* be very inflexible and that is manifestly wrong. I do not find the arguments to be convincing that protein timing, in general, is the ideal either. How do you account for digestibility of the various sources of protein? What about the impact of the other food eaten with the protein? What about the individuality of metabolic function? What about energy regulation? Dr. Layman was on a Jimmy Moore podcast laying out the case for protein timing in a very intelligent way. He does not like IF, of course, and he doesn't particularly like LC either. livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/atlcx-episode-24-all-things-protein-protein-101-dr-donald-layman/15359Shoring up Dr. Layman's thinking is the body building community and the various research work done on post-workout protein consumption for maximal muscle growth. However, this monolithic thinking has to ignore the benefits that come from hormesis (benefits gained from low level stressors) in general and research about the benefits of IF in specific. Also, steady dosing of protein works to prevent cell cleanup mechanisms. Muscle cell catabolism is beneficial if you are doing other things that act to rebuild the tissue and I mean just living and eating right (LC without too much of a calorie deficit) not necessarily forcing an adaptive response with strength training. Whatever level of muscle mass and skeletal tissue your body requires to function will be rebuilt when you go anabolic after a catabolic period. What about the physical limits of protein processing? If you single dose 100g of protein for the day, can your body actually utilize it before it passes through the digestive tract? I think so. Otherwise IF would result in a pronounced loss of net muscle mass. I mean, it'd be unmistakable in a clinical setting. Also, exactly how much protein you need on any given day must be variable and therefore the body must be adaptable to handle shortages and excesses resulting from the digestive process and intake in a given time frame. Unlike fat, there is no long term storage mechanism for excess protein. The implied result has to be a fairly flexible system capable of dealing with feast/famine regarding protein. Aside from that, it seems reasonable to assume that a small meal would be digested at one speed (because of the physical quantity) and the inverse would be true - a big meal would be digested at a different, slower, speed (because of the physical quantity) [which means it'd have more exposure to the digestive process]. So there'd be a leveling out of nutrient absorption along the spectrum of quantity. That is my thinking on the issue. I could be wrong of course on the whole thing or on parts of it.
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Post by reddarin on Feb 8, 2014 11:17:23 GMT -6
Weigh-in this morning... 171.8 for a point four bump post-gluttony
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