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Post by myles on May 17, 2013 8:08:25 GMT -6
Breakfast was np yesterday because i was still at home, lunch in the airport i had a cobb salad with blue cheese dressing. And dinner we went to a chinese place and i had spicy pork with vegetables, and pretty sure it was lc friendly based on the taste.
I don't have a lot of time to read through the posts unfortunately, but be back tonight
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Post by bernsy on May 17, 2013 8:12:43 GMT -6
Hey guys, a little off topic. We just had a 4.8 earthquake up here in Toronto. Maybe some of you northern yanks felt it too. Just the wierdest sensation, O M G!!
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raindroproses
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Post by raindroproses on May 17, 2013 8:20:11 GMT -6
Wow, I don't think I'm TOO far from Toronto (being in Michigan) but I didn't feel anything... everything okay over there? I didn't think Canada experienced many earthquakes
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Post by deb34 on May 17, 2013 10:00:12 GMT -6
Well, I stuck 100% to my planned fat fast today... so we'll see how that goes in the morning. Still nervous about the salt pushing I did earlier for the bromide toxicity, but it was only once so I'm hoping I won't see a crazy bounce from that or anything. I didn't struggle TOO much with hunger issues which is nice. I thought I'd feel like I was starving the whole time, but really I only felt sorta hungry once in a while and the rest of the time just felt some place in the middle. Not super hungry, not full... just kind of there I also picked up some more supplements that I'll be taking starting tomorrow, which is just blahhhhh I already take so much but hopefully it helps. Some of it is probably stuff I should have been taking all along that my doctor would have recommended to me at this coming appointment anyway so I suppose it's better to just start it up and get it out of the way. Hoping for a much better weigh-in in the morning, but not holding my breath. Still not sure if tomorrow will be another fat fast day or if I'll go straight to a meat and egg fast or something. I wish there was some sort of easy answer and easy solution to what's going on with my body sometimes, but at least I know what may be causing me some grief at this point. Hooray for not being COMPLETELY in the dark? ) Just a quick ? rdr regarding salt. I noticed when I really needed salt to support my adrenals and to also detox bromide, that I couldn't taste salt at all or only very slightly. My family complained pretty often last year that whatever I cooked was unpleasantly salty to them. I couldn't taste salt at all and I craved it like mad! Are you able to taste salt easily in things? I can take a tsp of sea salt in the palm of my hand and lick it off and just barely am able to taste the saltiness. Then I chase it with a couple of cups of water. But the taste is very faint to me. It's better than it was last year but still not what I would call strong or unpleasant at all. I love salt and can't seem to get enough of it. I wonder if people with more normal adrenals and thyroids find salt unpleasant when it gets too much for their systems? I feel like I haven't reached my salt threshold yet, I still heavily salt my food and in the mornings I still do the 1/2 tsp of sea salt with warm water. I'm interested to know how you experience salt, since we seem to have similar conditions.
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RoBiN <3
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Post by RoBiN <3 on May 17, 2013 10:01:39 GMT -6
Hi everyone! Yay for yesterday - been a while since I had a really good NK day and I made it happen. Today WI was down 3 lbs thank goodness so back to 175. I'm trying to stay off the scale but the 178 was making my guts hurt LoL so just had to know I wasn't there still. I'm feeling like the binge urges are at bay for now, strange how I can just feel it some days and some days I give in to the pressure and binge to relieve the pressure of thinking about the binge and some days I can keep it under control but days like today when I feel "lighter" and don't feel binge urges "at all" are so much easier and then I just have to work on not beating myself up too much for when I do cave and working so hard to just move forward and think positive - I know that is the best way for me so I just have to DO IT. Late start to breakfast for me today but wasn't super hungry - took a tbsp of the liq CO last night before bed and it def held me over. Friday mornings are always the most hectic for me and if I planned "better" that would help but either way it worked out This morning I am having meal 1 at 1015a: 4 oz ground beef, 2 tbsp half&half, 2 tbsp SF Vanilla syrup, coffee, 2 tbsp Liq CO and 4 pc turkey bacon which puts me at about 680 calories and 75/24/1%. I will up my fat % when I have another coffee with EVCO. Not going to let the roughly 950 calories before noon thing spazz me out as I imagine I will be good to go for the rest of the morning/afternoon. I'm SO busy and stressed and short staffed at work that it will help when I don't have to stop and do a lunch later and I won't be super irate from starving like I would have been back in my sugar/carb eating days lol... Stoked it's FRIDAY! Hope you all have a GREAT day!
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Post by raindroproses on May 17, 2013 10:18:57 GMT -6
Just a quick ? rdr regarding salt. I noticed when I really needed salt to support my adrenals and to also detox bromide, that I couldn't taste salt at all or only very slightly. My family complained pretty often last year that whatever I cooked was unpleasantly salty to them. I couldn't taste salt at all and I craved it like mad! Are you able to taste salt easily in things? I can take a tsp of sea salt in the palm of my hand and lick it off and just barely am able to taste the saltiness. Then I chase it with a couple of cups of water. But the taste is very faint to me. It's better than it was last year but still not what I would call strong or unpleasant at all. I love salt and can't seem to get enough of it. I wonder if people with more normal adrenals and thyroids find salt unpleasant when it gets too much for their systems? I feel like I haven't reached my salt threshold yet, I still heavily salt my food and in the mornings I still do the 1/2 tsp of sea salt with warm water. I'm interested to know how you experience salt, since we seem to have similar conditions. Well, both my adrenals and my thyroid are VERY messed up currently... and I can definitely taste salt! I think when you find yourself craving salt or not noticing it as often, it's an aldosterone issue related to your adrenal glands. Your kidneys are probably salt wasting. Have you heard of this? I think my aldosterone is low, while yours may be high. I enjoy salt enough, but I find that when I order bacon out some places if I even sit down to eat 4-5 slices of it I start to feel nauseous from how salty it is. Not sure if this is aldosterone related or not, but it could also be partially from cutting back on salt for so long like I have. Maybe I've made myself more sensitive to it? Here's a link to the website I frequent with LOTS of great information that's helped me start to get things under control. This is their article about aldosterone www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/aldosterone/
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2013 10:20:03 GMT -6
Hey guys, a little off topic. We just had a 4.8 earthquake up here in Toronto. Maybe some of you northern yanks felt it too. Just the wierdest sensation, O M G!! I'm glad you're okay. I grew up right outside of Los Angeles, and there were a few major earthquakes when my family lived there. I remember the 1971 San Fernando earthquake, that one was scary. I went to school in West Covina and some classrooms were damaged but not too seriously. Sparkpeople is back up, and I finally got to log my food for Thursday. 1428 calories, 106 g fat, 95 g protein, 22 g carbs Breakfast - bacon and eggs, coffee with coconut oil & hwc Lunch - plain greek yogurt, half an apple, cheddar cheese Dinner - bunless cheeseburger wrapped in lettuce I didn't want to eat before my job interview, so I've only had coffee with coconut oil and hwc this morning. The interview went well I think, but they have a few more candidates to interview. I'm supposed to hear back from the temp agency later today or Monday.
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Post by raindroproses on May 17, 2013 10:20:24 GMT -6
Okay, I don't think this is going to come as a huge surprise to anyone here but I thought I'd mention anyway... holy smokes, bacon and cream cheese make a fantastic combination! )
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Post by clueless on May 17, 2013 10:29:36 GMT -6
Hey guys, a little off topic. We just had a 4.8 earthquake up here in Toronto. Maybe some of you northern yanks felt it too. Just the wierdest sensation, O M G!! Take care and be careful! Glad you are ok too!
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Post by clueless on May 17, 2013 10:30:20 GMT -6
Hi everyone! Yay for yesterday - been a while since I had a really good NK day and I made it happen. Today WI was down 3 lbs thank goodness so back to 175. I'm trying to stay off the scale but the 178 was making my guts hurt LoL so just had to know I wasn't there still. I'm feeling like the binge urges are at bay for now, strange how I can just feel it some days and some days I give in to the pressure and binge to relieve the pressure of thinking about the binge and some days I can keep it under control but days like today when I feel "lighter" and don't feel binge urges "at all" are so much easier and then I just have to work on not beating myself up too much for when I do cave and working so hard to just move forward and think positive - I know that is the best way for me so I just have to DO IT. Late start to breakfast for me today but wasn't super hungry - took a tbsp of the liq CO last night before bed and it def held me over. Friday mornings are always the most hectic for me and if I planned "better" that would help but either way it worked out This morning I am having meal 1 at 1015a: 4 oz ground beef, 2 tbsp half&half, 2 tbsp SF Vanilla syrup, coffee, 2 tbsp Liq CO and 4 pc turkey bacon which puts me at about 680 calories and 75/24/1%. I will up my fat % when I have another coffee with EVCO. Not going to let the roughly 950 calories before noon thing spazz me out as I imagine I will be good to go for the rest of the morning/afternoon. I'm SO busy and stressed and short staffed at work that it will help when I don't have to stop and do a lunch later and I won't be super irate from starving like I would have been back in my sugar/carb eating days lol... Stoked it's FRIDAY! Hope you all have a GREAT day! WOOT WOOT!!! 3 lbs down!!
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Post by clueless on May 17, 2013 10:34:50 GMT -6
Okay, I don't think this is going to come as a huge surprise to anyone here but I thought I'd mention anyway... holy smokes, bacon and cream cheese make a fantastic combination! ) Oh yes, now stuff it inside a jalapeno pepper and slice that baby up! yumm!
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Post by RoBiN <3 on May 17, 2013 10:38:03 GMT -6
cluelessYES! Thank you! That is how I felt this morning! I know it's not fat loss but stoked it's binge weight loss and not a result of hours of cardio - just stayed on track with NK eating yesterday and did a small strength set at home while watching my all time fave show, Seinfeld, woo hoo, that's the life! Bacon and cream cheese, how is it that I don't think I have actually eaten this. Did discover bacon with avo chunks was deeeelicous and you just can't seem to go wrong with bacon period lol...love that stuff! a while back saw someone posted (in LCF) about buying beef fat and cutting into strips (maybe?) and cooking. checked at my grocer and they said they can hold some for me and .99/lb so going to check into it...anyone ever eat or do this?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2013 10:38:29 GMT -6
Is anyone else struggling with insomnia on NK? I found this Amino Acid Therapy Chart from Julia Ross' book The Diet Cure, and I have many of the symptoms that would indicate low serotonin. I picked up a bottle of 5-htp to see if that will help. Taking melatonin and magnesium didn't do much for my sleep, but I still take magnesium for the health benefits. I read The Diet Cure back in 2004 but lost my copy of the book. She has a newer version out that I'm thinking about getting on Kindle.
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Post by cg037 on May 17, 2013 10:48:08 GMT -6
Hey Melanie, I was just thinking about how you were kind of bummed that you didn't see a 3 pound loss overnight like some people had with the FF.. you do realize they were most likely coming off of SAD eating, right? That was the reason why I lost so much so quickly.. I went from eating 200+ carbs/day for years and years to <10 right away.. it was all water. Of course you didn't have to lose that much because you've already been in ketosis for awhile. A half pound overnight from the fat fast for someone ALREADY in ketosis is a major success, I think.
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Post by deb34 on May 17, 2013 10:53:40 GMT -6
Thanks, I'll check that link out: haven't read much about aldosterone.
fogot to quote Melanie you posted the stopthethyroidmadness link.
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Post by raindroproses on May 17, 2013 11:09:25 GMT -6
Okay, I don't think this is going to come as a huge surprise to anyone here but I thought I'd mention anyway... holy smokes, bacon and cream cheese make a fantastic combination! ) Oh yes, now stuff it inside a jalapeno pepper and slice that baby up! yumm! Now you're talking! ) I've never made poppers before at home, but I used to LOVE them at restaurants... I'll have to give that a shot when I'm off this fat fast/meat and egg fast. I've been meaning to ever since Myles posted a picture of them on the other forum's food porn page
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Post by raindroproses on May 17, 2013 11:11:24 GMT -6
Is anyone else struggling with insomnia on NK? I found this Amino Acid Therapy Chart from Julia Ross' book The Diet Cure, and I have many of the symptoms that would indicate low serotonin. I picked up a bottle of 5-htp to see if that will help. Taking melatonin and magnesium didn't do much for my sleep, but I still take magnesium for the health benefits. I read The Diet Cure back in 2004 but lost my copy of the book. She has a newer version out that I'm thinking about getting on Kindle. I suffer with insomnia, but I'm not sure if any of it is diet related or if all of it is thyroid/adrenal related. It did seem like taking enough magnesium at night for a while helped me... how much magnesium do you take? Hawthorn also has helped me because it helps to regulate the stress in our bodies and has a calming effect, and I know it seems to have had pleasant sleep related side effects in Darin too lately
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Post by raindroproses on May 17, 2013 11:14:12 GMT -6
Oh, Lisa... I meant to add too, maybe the Leptin reset has been causing worsening insomnia with you? I know I was reading that having a bit of protein later in the day is actually beneficial for preventing blood sugar crashes overnight, which is something that keeps many people awake/wakes people up. I'm wondering if that's why I had such a hard time sleeping last night on the fat fast, because I ate so little protein and was hungry when I went to bed
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Post by raindroproses on May 17, 2013 11:18:15 GMT -6
Hey Melanie, I was just thinking about how you were kind of bummed that you didn't see a 3 pound loss overnight like some people had with the FF.. you do realize they were most likely coming off of SAD eating, right? That was the reason why I lost so much so quickly.. I went from eating 200+ carbs/day for years and years to <10 right away.. it was all water. Of course you didn't have to lose that much because you've already been in ketosis for awhile. A half pound overnight from the fat fast for someone ALREADY in ketosis is a major success, I think. Huh, you know? You're probably right! I wasn't sure what sort of situation you were in when you were saying you saw the bigger losses on the FF... I didn't know that was right at the start of going LC pretty much I also kind of assumed the people doing the FF were generally people who were already doing Induction but just weren't seeing losses, or people who've been LC-ing for quite some time but stalled or slowed progress. I do wonder if most of those people generally were coming off of SAD after all! I definitely feel a lot better now, thank you Casey Sometimes it just takes a voice of reason to put things into perspective for me... sometimes I just assume it's my body to blame, and that's why I don't see the progress other people do. A lot of times I forget to take into account just how different our situations might be, not only from a metabolic standpoint but also from a WOE standpoint. Because you're right, I'm coming off of between 5-15 total carbs a day. Definitely NOT anywhere near SAD eating!
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Post by cg037 on May 17, 2013 11:32:33 GMT -6
Hey Melanie, I was just thinking about how you were kind of bummed that you didn't see a 3 pound loss overnight like some people had with the FF.. you do realize they were most likely coming off of SAD eating, right? That was the reason why I lost so much so quickly.. I went from eating 200+ carbs/day for years and years to <10 right away.. it was all water. Of course you didn't have to lose that much because you've already been in ketosis for awhile. A half pound overnight from the fat fast for someone ALREADY in ketosis is a major success, I think. Huh, you know? You're probably right! I wasn't sure what sort of situation you were in when you were saying you saw the bigger losses on the FF... I didn't know that was right at the start of going LC pretty much I also kind of assumed the people doing the FF were generally people who were already doing Induction but just weren't seeing losses, or people who've been LC-ing for quite some time but stalled or slowed progress. I do wonder if most of those people generally were coming off of SAD after all! I definitely feel a lot better now, thank you Casey Sometimes it just takes a voice of reason to put things into perspective for me... sometimes I just assume it's my body to blame, and that's why I don't see the progress other people do. A lot of times I forget to take into account just how different our situations might be, not only from a metabolic standpoint but also from a WOE standpoint. Because you're right, I'm coming off of between 5-15 total carbs a day. Definitely NOT anywhere near SAD eating! So when you think about it, my 3 pound loss overnight was all water, while your half pound overnight loss was most likely fat! Huh, I think I know which type of loss I'd rather take in the end. Hope you feel better about your fat fast now.
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Post by raindroproses on May 17, 2013 11:35:32 GMT -6
So when you think about it, my 3 pound loss overnight was all water, while your half pound overnight loss was most likely fat! Huh, I think I know which type of loss I'd rather take in the end. Hope you feel better about your fat fast now. I definitely feel better now, thank you! Honestly, even if it wasn't fat... I'd still take it if it was water related, because I was scared my medicine and the toxicity I have going on was just going to make me keep retaining it until I turned into a balloon ) I imagine I'd have even less water left to put off too because I've been in ketosis for so long, but it'd definitely be a bonus if it was fat! Either way I'm feeling MUCH better today and pretty confident about what will probably be my final day of FF before I move on to meat and eggs... which I honestly won't think of as much of a fast considering that's what I'd prefer to eat most of the time anyhow, LOL!
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2013 11:49:34 GMT -6
I've been taking 400 mg of magnesium citrate, it's in powder form that I mix with water. I don't think my insomnia has gotten worse on the leptin reset, but it hasn't improved either. I found an interesting article by Lyle McDonald on Insomnia, Depression, and Low Carb Diets. I've had depression for years and going on NK hasn't changed anything with my moods for better or worse.
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Post by raindroproses on May 17, 2013 12:09:37 GMT -6
I've been taking 400 mg of magnesium citrate, it's in powder form that I mix with water. I don't think my insomnia has gotten worse on the leptin reset, but it hasn't improved either. I found an interesting article by Lyle McDonald on Insomnia, Depression, and Low Carb Diets. I've had depression for years and going on NK hasn't changed anything with my moods for better or worse. Wow, is the magnesium citrate working okay for you? That's the sort that acts as a laxative! I use magnesium oxide, and I recently upped to 500mg which seemed to help some... I know Darin said he's on about 800mg I think maybe? I can't remember, my dang brain is faulty Insomnia DEFINITELY can be worsened or triggered by depression though. SO has been struggling with that for years now, as have I. I think NK/LC has helped my moods a bit, but my supplements have helped a lot more. Have you ever looked into DHEA? Many people who struggle with depression and don't want to take pharmaceuticals supplement with DHEA and also Pregnenalone on occasion. My doctor put me on both as part of my new regimen and I do think I've seen a bit of a mood boost, though I honestly can't say which one of those it's from. You may also want to check out Rhodiola Rosea I believe it's called. I'm going to ask my doctor about it when I see him next, but it's supposed to be another great one for depression and also energy
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Post by deb34 on May 17, 2013 12:42:30 GMT -6
I just wanted to say thanks Melanie for the info and conversations you had about Hawthorn. I think this might be something that could help me too. My BP is just slightly on the high side once in a while but since both you and Darin say you have felt a difference in a few days and seem to have more pleasant restful sleep, I think I'll pick some up. Feeling better and good sleep can't ever be a bad thing. You and Darin and Cheryl are the backbone of this place so thank you all so much.
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Post by raindroproses on May 17, 2013 12:50:12 GMT -6
I just wanted to say thanks Melanie for the info and conversations you had about Hawthorn. I think this might be something that could help me too. My BP is just slightly on the high side once in a while but since both you and Darin say you have felt a difference in a few days and seem to have more pleasant restful sleep, I think I'll pick some up. Feeling better and good sleep can't ever be a bad thing. You and Darin and Cheryl are the backbone of this place so thank you all so much. Awww you're welcome! And thank you for saying that, sometimes lately I feel like I complain (about myself of course) more than I help but I'm glad that even though the rough patches I've managed to contribute something The hawthorn definitely has improved things for me! So long as you don't take blood pressure medication, you'll be fine to start it if you feel like it. The reason they caution people against taking both is because obviously both suppress higher BP's and if you take both at the same time you run the risk of it getting too low. My BP is almost always within normal range now, even on the low/normal "ideal" side of things. It also does help me to relax at the end of the day right before bed, which is really nice... and you're right, more pleasant and restful sleep is NEVER a bad thing! The hawthorn I use is from Solaray and it's a once daily supplement, but they also make twice daily and things like that. I prefer the once daily because I don't need to add any potential grogginess to my daytime schedule on top of what I already have from my thyroid and adrenals, so I prefer to just take it at night right before bed. Haven't had any unpleasant side effects whatsoever from it either, and I haven't seen anyone report any either assuming they were off their BP meds before starting it. Here's what my bottle looks like, in case you're curious: Solaray Once Daily Hawthorne
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2013 13:03:33 GMT -6
I tried DHEA a long time ago and it didn't seem to do much for me. I think it's mainly for adrenal fatigue, right? That's one problem I don't think I have. I've been lucky with the magnesium citrate and haven't gotten the runs from it. I am wary of increasing the dose because of that side effect though! I'll check out the Rhodiola Rosea extract.
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Post by raindroproses on May 17, 2013 13:11:04 GMT -6
I tried DHEA a long time ago and it didn't seem to do much for me. I think it's mainly for adrenal fatigue, right? That's one problem I don't think I have. I've been lucky with the magnesium citrate and haven't gotten the runs from it. I am wary of increasing the dose because of that side effect though! I'll check out the Rhodiola Rosea extract. That's why I'm taking DHEA myself (although the mood boosting/energy effects are certainly nice too!) but according to this article I pulled up, it's also used in other cases as well. It's possible you're just not deficient though and that's why you didn't notice much of anything improvement-wise According to WebMD:
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Post by raindroproses on May 17, 2013 15:36:03 GMT -6
SO just got discharged from the hospital finally! A bit of mixed emotions going on with that, but mostly good ones... just thought I'd update everyone who was following along before
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Post by cg037 on May 17, 2013 15:53:57 GMT -6
Woke up 132.2 this morning, -.8 from yesterday. I feel firmly in ketosis so the fat fast did the trick. Didn't really have any water weight to lose, so happy with 1.8 pounds in 2 days.
Today:
B: coffee w/ HWC, 3 egg yolks fried in ghee, 3 slices bacon L: Keto root beer float, 1 oz macadamias S: 2 pickles D: 4 yolks fried in ghee, 5 slices bacon Dessert: Keto frozen chocolate mousse
1490 calories 140g fat/82% 20g carbs/5% 49g protein/13%
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Post by reddarin on May 17, 2013 16:11:46 GMT -6
I just wanted to say thanks Melanie for the info and conversations you had about Hawthorn. I think this might be something that could help me too. My BP is just slightly on the high side once in a while but since both you and Darin say you have felt a difference in a few days and seem to have more pleasant restful sleep, I think I'll pick some up. Feeling better and good sleep can't ever be a bad thing. You and Darin and Cheryl are the backbone of this place so thank you all so much. Let us know when you start taking it and if you start having pleasant dreams. It is hard to believe that a side-effect could be nice dreams but that seems to be the case. I like it anyway
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