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Post by clueless on Sept 5, 2013 15:41:44 GMT -6
I guess vicki has just left us.
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Post by clueless on Sept 5, 2013 17:26:44 GMT -6
Weigh-in this morning ... 182.3 for a four point four bounce to mess up my weekly average I looked back through my spreadsheet and I see that I have typically had a fairly sizable bounce two to three days post-HIT which is very interesting. I wonder if it indicates glycogen replenishment or muscle hypertrophy? It is too regular to be just random bouncing like I experienced before beginning McGuff/Baye HIT workouts. It can't be four pounds of hypertrophy, of course, but hypertrophy and glycogen replenishment combined would account for the pattern and two to three day delay in showing up on the scale. I wonder what would happen if you worked out every fourth day? Say if it is glycogen replenishment, would it be helpful or would it be an issue of not giving your muscles enough time to recoup after the work out?
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Post by reddarin on Sept 5, 2013 18:54:36 GMT -6
Weigh-in this morning ... 182.3 for a four point four bounce to mess up my weekly average I looked back through my spreadsheet and I see that I have typically had a fairly sizable bounce two to three days post-HIT which is very interesting. I wonder if it indicates glycogen replenishment or muscle hypertrophy? It is too regular to be just random bouncing like I experienced before beginning McGuff/Baye HIT workouts. It can't be four pounds of hypertrophy, of course, but hypertrophy and glycogen replenishment combined would account for the pattern and two to three day delay in showing up on the scale. I wonder what would happen if you worked out every fourth day? Say if it is glycogen replenishment, would it be helpful or would it be an issue of not giving your muscles enough time to recoup after the work out? Well, we are venturing into BroScience territory Apparently glycogen replenishment can take a couple of days if the intensity was sufficient to drain the reservoir greatly. That actually surprised me when I read/heard it and I can't remember off hand where it was I heard that but I think Mike Mentzer mentions it in his 1998 seminar on HIT. The muscle recovery thing is an animal of a different sort. The problem with training too soon is not the possible lack of glycogen but the renewed damage to the muscle tissue that interferes with repair and growth of the tissue. The deal is that, from what I've read/watched, if you are training hard enough then it is very, very easy to overtrain which is to say, not give your tissue enough time to recover *and* grow. If you are not training hard but you are training a lot, like with most cardio junkies, then you get overtrained from not allowing sufficient recovery but growth is not much of an issue because there isn't much of an adaptive response created - most cardio addicts are skinny not muscular for that reason. If the muscle is not being challenged it will eventually go away and cardio is not so much a strength issue as it is an endurance issue. The interesting thing about cardio, as opposed to strength training, is that cardio adaptation gets lost quickly when you stop doing it. So a cyclist that can bike for 25 miles but goes out of town and cannot bike for a month, say, will not be able to bike that 25 miles for a while. On the other hand, someone strength training correctly that has to take off for a month will come back stronger not weaker. Also, skills based training is not transferable. That is, if you can stay on a stationary bike for '25' miles you will not be able to use a real bike for 25 miles even if the terrain is not a factor, e.g. no hills or whatever. That is one reason that the so-called functional training fad is just that, a fad and bad science and an injury waiting to happen. If you can swing a sledgehammer that only means you can swing a sledgehammer - it won't do a thing for you if you need to chop down a tree. That is why skills training should not be combined with strength training.
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Post by reddarin on Sept 5, 2013 18:56:33 GMT -6
Numbers and log for today.
Calories: 2,756
Fat: 242 Pro: 113 Car: 49
77/16/7
Breakfast: Iced coffee & HWC, CO on the side. Lunch: Eckrich sausage, jalapeno, broccoli, broth [butter, bouillon]. Dinner: None. Snack: Almonds. Pork rinds.
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Post by clueless on Sept 5, 2013 19:04:19 GMT -6
Log for today Calories 1259
fat: 89.69g | protein: 71.72g | carbs: 38.32g
Breakfast: sausage, 1 Tbsp olive oil Lunch: Flax wrap sandwich, cream cheese, 1 strawberry Dinner: Venison, broccoli and cheese, cabbage pancakes, raspberry cream cheese in chocolate cups
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Post by clueless on Sept 6, 2013 3:54:55 GMT -6
Weigh in today 146.8 Sheww, finally! I was gonna do my HIT this morning but I didn't sleep well and was to groggy to slip it in this am. Happy Friday!
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Post by victlady on Sept 6, 2013 5:24:00 GMT -6
Weigh in today 146.8 Sheww, finally! I was gonna do my HIT this morning but I didn't sleep well and was to groggy to slip it in this am. Happy Friday! :handshake:YESSsss
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Post by victlady on Sept 6, 2013 5:44:20 GMT -6
I wonder what would happen if you worked out every fourth day? Say if it is glycogen replenishment, would it be helpful or would it be an issue of not giving your muscles enough time to recoup after the work out? Well, we are venturing into BroScience territory Apparently glycogen replenishment can take a couple of days if the intensity was sufficient to drain the reservoir greatly. That actually surprised me when I read/heard it and I can't remember off hand where it was I heard that but I think Mike Mentzer mentions it in his 1998 seminar on HIT. The muscle recovery thing is an animal of a different sort. The problem with training too soon is not the possible lack of glycogen but the renewed damage to the muscle tissue that interferes with repair and growth of the tissue. The deal is that, from what I've read/watched, if you are training hard enough then it is very, very easy to overtrain which is to say, not give your tissue enough time to recover *and* grow. If you are not training hard but you are training a lot, like with most cardio junkies, then you get overtrained from not allowing sufficient recovery but growth is not much of an issue because there isn't much of an adaptive response created - most cardio addicts are skinny not muscular for that reason. If the muscle is not being challenged it will eventually go away and cardio is not so much a strength issue as it is an endurance issue. The interesting thing about cardio, as opposed to strength training, is that cardio adaptation gets lost quickly when you stop doing it. So a cyclist that can bike for 25 miles but goes out of town and cannot bike for a month, say, will not be able to bike that 25 miles for a while. On the other hand, someone strength training correctly that has to take off for a month will come back stronger not weaker. Also, skills based training is not transferable. That is, if you can stay on a stationary bike for '25' miles you will not be able to use a real bike for 25 miles even if the terrain is not a factor, e.g. no hills or whatever. That is one reason that the so-called functional training fad is just that, a fad and bad science and an injury waiting to happen. If you can swing a sledgehammer that only means you can swing a sledgehammer - it won't do a thing for you if you need to chop down a tree. That is why skills training should not be combined with strength training. Sheesh..well that explains it..why I can't chew gum and walk at the same time..my walking skills don't translate to gum chewing.I was an accident waiting to happen...I'll stick to yoga! Very interesting Darin
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 6:22:16 GMT -6
Weigh in today 146.8 Sheww, finally! I was gonna do my HIT this morning but I didn't sleep well and was to groggy to slip it in this am. Happy Friday! I'm glad to see the scale is moving downward again! I hope it's a sign you are feeling better too.
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Post by vicki on Sept 6, 2013 8:26:57 GMT -6
I guess vicki has just left us. what is that saying..."the rumors of my death have been highly exaggerated" I haven't left, disappeared, been accosted by aliens <I have sent out invitations, but they have not responded yet>, or run away from home <which has also been contemplated as a solution in the past> ;-) I've been a bit busy off computer lately. I'ts been pretty much all about relatives, relatives and more relatives. Dad is still in the rehab facility. We will be moving him to an assisted living facility some time in the next few weeks. He is also in the process of selling his condo. Needless to say the family is doing the leg work and heavy lifting. Which I'm pretty sure we can all agree that moving SUCKS!! <LOL> We hate it, and we put everything off till the last minute. My nephew is home on leave from the air force, so we've been doing "family fun nights" a whole lot more than normal these days. Finally, the best news is my BFF of 30+ years is here for an extended visit to see how well she can function in the Florida humidity <she has a spinal disease, and is put together like an erector set from the neck down> with the intention of eventually moving here. So I am keeping my fingers crossed it works out. Im not ignoring everyone...really Im not...I hop on every couple days and read thru the posts quickly. I just don't have a lot of time to respond. so Please forgive me for my slackard behavior these last few weeks. Hopefully it will ease up soon. I haven't gained any, but I haven't lost any either. So I just keep doing what Im doing and wait for things to work the way they are suppose to Smile everyone!! Alway remember, its the most amount of fun you can have with the least amount of effort. *HUGZSES* where needed!! Vicki
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Post by reddarin on Sept 6, 2013 8:44:43 GMT -6
Weigh in today 146.8 Sheww, finally! I was gonna do my HIT this morning but I didn't sleep well and was to groggy to slip it in this am. Happy Friday! Hooray!!
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Post by reddarin on Sept 6, 2013 8:45:32 GMT -6
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Post by RoBiN <3 on Sept 6, 2013 8:46:38 GMT -6
Weigh in today 146.8 :dance:Awesome!!
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Post by reddarin on Sept 6, 2013 8:47:28 GMT -6
Weigh-in this morning ... 178.6 for a three point seven drop heh. I'm all over the map the last few days.
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Post by RoBiN <3 on Sept 6, 2013 8:54:16 GMT -6
No WI this morning since didn't really make the time to strip down and didn't get time to use the bathroom so dodged the scale. I hopped on last night like 930 and was 187! Woot. Decided I was hungry so had a super late dinner - like 1030p; 4 pcs of bacon then had 3 eggs fried in some bacon fat then added in some butter. It was delicious and this morning haven't been hungry so still haven't eaten anything. Working on my first 1 L bottle of water right now and trying to figure out what the heck I'm gonna eat...didn't come prepared today but since not hungry not really stressed about it - weird. It's Fri night date night and we usually have one drink and a giant omelette full of cheese/meat/veggies...thinking tonight I may still have the one drink (my guy usually drinks half for me anyway cuz I'm such a slow drinker and just not a drinker period lol...) but instead of the big omelette I'm gonna do eggs/bacon...maybe sausage. It will not please my guy who is so structured and likes routine and we are recognized by most of the girls who serve at this place we go every Fri so they always know what we want and we order the same thing (we both get the omelette) so it's easy and nice but tonight I will have to confuse them with just eggs/bacon lol...sticking to it. Then we go for coffee and we fill up with HH/fake sugar...tonight I'm not sure if I will go ahead and try to do coffee but cut WAYYYY back on the splenda and just use a splash of HH for like 2-3 carbs...we'll see; sometimes I have done plain hot tea and been happy so may go that route, then it's off to putt putt and go cart racing. It's almost 10a so coming up on at least an 11 hour fasting period so that's cool even if not intentional; especially since we usually eat and have coffee much later in the eve. Hope you all have a GREAT Friday! I'm actually looking forward to seeing a loss in the morning - I can't imagine why I wouldn't. Goal for today is meat/eggs - using mayo, salt/pepper, butter and will use EVCO but dodging anything else...trying to make sure my hunger and binge eating under control then will start to eat some veggies again.
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Post by clueless on Sept 6, 2013 9:42:44 GMT -6
Hooray vicki posted, or the aliens didn't want us getting suspicious.
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Post by clueless on Sept 6, 2013 9:43:52 GMT -6
Weigh-in this morning ... 178.6 for a three point seven drop heh. I'm all over the map the last few days. Darin is bouncing round like a ping pong ball. Hooray
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Post by clueless on Sept 6, 2013 9:45:10 GMT -6
Weigh in today 146.8 Sheww, finally! I was gonna do my HIT this morning but I didn't sleep well and was to groggy to slip it in this am. Happy Friday! I'm glad to see the scale is moving downward again! I hope it's a sign you are feeling better too. I am feeling better. Thanks
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Post by RoBiN <3 on Sept 6, 2013 9:51:07 GMT -6
178.6 for a three point seven drop heh. that's great!
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Post by victlady on Sept 6, 2013 12:39:25 GMT -6
Log in 9/5 Cal:976 fat: 67.85g | protein: 80.80g | carbs: 11.74g Am Cott Cheese, HC, strawberries, walnuts Lunch: 2 turkey roll ups PM: hamb, green salad
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Post by clueless on Sept 6, 2013 17:52:45 GMT -6
Log for today... Calories 1346
fat: 110.84g | protein: 61.96g | carbs: 26.72g Breakfast: sausage, 1 Tbsp olive oil Lunch: Taco salad Dinner: LC Pizza, gelatin and cool whip
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Post by reddarin on Sept 6, 2013 18:48:15 GMT -6
Numbers and log for today.
Calories: 1,908
Fat: 165 Pro: 92 Car: 18
76/20/4
Breakfast: Iced coffee & HWC, CO on the side. Lunch: Chicken, jalapeno, broth [tiny bit of cabbage, bouillon, butter]. Dinner: None. Snack: Pickles.
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Post by clueless on Sept 7, 2013 6:32:35 GMT -6
Weigh in today 146.2
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 7:11:03 GMT -6
Weigh in: 173.6 for a slight bounce. I'm going to blame it on my hair being wet out of the shower.
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Post by reddarin on Sept 7, 2013 9:23:02 GMT -6
Weigh in today 146.2 Hooray!! How's the inner ear thing Cheryl?
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Post by reddarin on Sept 7, 2013 9:24:34 GMT -6
Weigh-in this morning... 178.0 for a point six drop
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Post by clueless on Sept 7, 2013 9:33:37 GMT -6
Weigh-in this morning... 178.0 for a point six drop :dance:Wahoo! I still get slight dizziness but it isn't nearly as aggravating as it was a couple of weeks ago.
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Post by clueless on Sept 7, 2013 17:08:17 GMT -6
Log for today: Calories 1329
fat: 96.41g | protein: 78.30g | carbs: 34.02g
Breakfast: Flax bread Lunch: Hamburger cabbage bowl, gelatin and cool whip Dinner: Chicken, smoked sausage, peppers and onions
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Post by reddarin on Sept 7, 2013 19:53:28 GMT -6
Numbers and log for today.
Calories: 4,597
Fat: 381 Pro: 242 Car: 53
74/22/4
Breakfast: Iced coffee & HWC, CO on the side. Lunch: Bacon, broccoli, jalapeno, broth [bacon grease, bouillon]. Dinner: None. Snack: Pork skins, dip, almonds, bacon.
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Post by clueless on Sept 8, 2013 8:09:10 GMT -6
Weigh in today was 148. After I did my HIT work out I dropped to 147. Had a little stress yesterday so I think that is why I saw a bump in the scale.
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