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Post by reddarin on Jun 2, 2013 9:10:41 GMT -6
Welcome to the June Nutritional Ketosis thread! NK is defined at this link. Our goal is a low total carb, high fat and moderate daily protein regimen resulting in a state of Nutritional Ketosis. Total carbs are 50g or less. In short: Eat your required protein grams, keep total carbs low and the rest of your calories are fat. Keep your calorie deficit moderate to lose weight. The fundamental shift to fat for fuel, nutritional ketosis, takes two to four weeks and sometimes longer. The low carb health benefits are as immediate as with any true low carb plan. ProteinIn his book, Dr. Phinney recommends 1.5-2.0g/kg reference weight for protein grams. Dr. Phinney also covered that in the Long Term Stalls podcast. However, in a Fat Burning Man podcast, at 16:53, Jimmy Moore mentioned to Abel James that Dr. Phinney leaned more towards 1.0-1.5 grams per kg of reference weight.
Reference weight is the appropriate weight for your height as described in a height/weight chart. Although it doesn't need to be exact, it is important to use the weight that is closest to correct for you with the formula because overeating protein can interfere with weight loss. So use the right weight even if you have a higher intermediate goal weight. You can check your frame size for a better estimation of the right reference weight for yourself. Frame size is described here.
The formula looks like this: (reference_weight/2.2)*1.5 = daily protein grams.
For example: Your ideal weight is 150 pounds...
(150/2.2)*1.5 = 102g protein a day. Protein IIUse the 1.5-2.0g/kg from the published book as your start point. It is much easier to start at the high end and tweak down if needed than the reverse. If you are coming from a very low calorie plan you probably need the extra protein to rebuild lost muscle mass anyway. FatMost of your calories should come from fat. Carbs50g total carbs (not net) or less. CaloriesAccording to Dr. Phinney, an obese person burns about 30kCal per kg of weight and a moderately active adult close to their correct weight burns 35kCal per kg of weight. He attributes the difference, 30 to 35, to an obese person being more sedentary than a person at the right weight for their body.
From page 207 of The Art and Science of Low Carb Living:
"As an aside, the casual reader might protest that these energy expenditure numbers look pretty high. But for anyone that has worked with obese humans in a metabolic research ward, 30kcal per kg of actual body weight in the sedentary obese and 35 kcal/kg in the post-obese moderately active adult are actually quite conservative expenditure values."
For example: You are fat, your goal weight is 150 and right now you weigh 225.
225lb current calorie expenditure --> (225/2.2)*30 = 3068 150lb goal weight calorie expenditure --> (150/2.2)*35 = 2386 Calories IIHow much should you eat? I don't know but it is probably not as little as you think. As you can see from Dr. Phinney's clinical experience, you don't need to starve yourself to lose weight. An obese person that is burning ~3,000 calories a day can lose weight eating 1800 to 2000 calories a day unless there are health issues that come into play - thyroid, adrenals, et. al.
There are many health risks related to eating very low calories, like loss of lean body mass and metabolism down regulation, and it is hard to stick to a plan with very low calories. Very low calorie plans frequently result in binges which will wreck your efforts at NK. Start high and work down as needed but go down slowly. Panic is the enemy of success. MacrosMacro ratios are a great tool to help you keep an eye on what you are doing but they can be very deceptive. 15% protein at 1500 calories is very different from 15% at 3000 calories. You can have great looking macros that are hiding terrible real numbers. Don't get stuck on macro percentages. Always check your protein grams to make sure you are eating to your goal. Daily/Weekly Weigh-InsDo you weigh in daily or weekly? Totally up to you! I weigh in daily because I like the constant feedback. *BUT*, if you choose to do daily weigh-ins you have to accept that daily weights are a snapshot in time only. They are interesting data points but that is all and they are meaningless without the context of time. In other words, weigh-in daily if you want but pay attention to the trend not the individual snapshot of weight. Tape MeasureYou should measure yourself periodically. Knowing that you are losing inches can help keep you from wildly tweaking what you are doing when what you are doing is working even if the scale is saying otherwise. And it feels good to know you have lost inches. A Lot To LoseConsider this when you have a lot to lose. SodiumConsider your own health condition and any Rx meds but... low carb is not a low sodium way of eating or living. You must get your sodium in or your body will suffer. It might suffer silently for a long time before it finally breaks. Or it might express itself as agonizing leg cramps. Those cramps are caused by dehydration and/or a potassium deficiency but if you are a low sodium consumer then your sodium deficiency is contributing to your potassium loss and dehydration. The body excretes potassium if it is forced to conserve sodium because you are not getting enough. That is how important sodium is to your body. Phinney advises 5 Grams of sodium daily. That is a lot of sodium. Fear not! Unless you are going out of your way to eat low sodium you are probably getting 2 to 4 grams in your food every day. A little extra use of the salt shaker will fix up most people just fine. It is worth taking a look at how much sodium you are getting if you use a food logger. Table salt is not one for one on sodium grams. If you've been a casual low sodium person then you should pay careful attention to what you are eating and dun your former salt eschewing ways.
The body will cannabalize LBM for potassium if it has to. So, low sodium -> sacrifice potassium -> rob lean tissue for potassium -> poor LC results. Last Month's ThreadNK - May 2013 Version NotesJoin in the conversation any time. Feel free to ask any questions you have. We are all happy to help you. Lurkers are welcome too.
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Post by reddarin on Jun 2, 2013 9:13:13 GMT -6
Weigh-in this morning ... 189.1 so down point four despite the big calorie high protein day with the ribs yesterday
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Post by clueless on Jun 2, 2013 9:16:25 GMT -6
Weigh-in this morning ... 189.1 so down point four despite the big calorie high protein day with the ribs yesterday :DWOW, That's great!!
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Post by raindroproses on Jun 2, 2013 9:21:42 GMT -6
Woohoo Darin! And I definitely love that you made that post about weight loss a sticky... it was a fantastic post, and definitely relevant even to those of us who DON'T have a lot to lose. I think oftentimes that's why I get discouraged is because I think to myself, "Yeah, I might be close to goal. But so is ____ and they're still losing more rapidly than I am. What gives? Clearly I'm doing something wrong!" Then I just bum myself out when it's important to remember how different each and every one of our bodies is, and the reason WHY so and so can lose quicker or look thinner at a certain weight or whatever it is my hang up is this time My weigh-in this morning was 145.5 again. I already posted that back on the other page, but eh... figured I'd start off the new month's page by filling it in here too Figured out what I'm doing for the day by the way I think! I think I'm going to make a toasted waffle sandwich for lunch today with some of my Boar's Head lunch meat and cheese (the waffles aren't SUPER sweet as-is without the syrup, so I think it'll work nicely). And for dinner once my giant pork roast is done, I think I'm going to try and make myself a low carb NK friendly stir fry... I've been dying for some Chinese take-out ever since SO ordered it this past week but I can't do the soy sauce anymore let alone the cornstarch and sugar. So I think I might try and make my own up with some fried pork, some cashews, and a bit of broccoli and cabbage. Sounds really good so hopefully it turns out good as well! I had a sweet and sour type sauce I used to make all the time back in my pre-LC days, so I'm hoping I can tweak things a little to get a similar taste again while staying sugar free (brown sugar was a key ingredient in the sauce, so I'm not sure how that'll work out since sucralose really doesn't replace brown sugar )
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 9:26:26 GMT -6
This girl is the anorexia posterchild. There are several forums with long threads devoted to snarking on her, and she has been outed as being VERY active on pro-anorexia message boards as well. Also, take a look at the serving sizes in her pictures. She makes piles of brownies--but they're the size of your thumb. Sorry, but I hate Chocolate Covered Katie with the fire of a thousand suns. She very inspirational to anorectics though--thats how I know about her. This thread makes me happy: getoffmyinternets.net/forums/healthy-living-bloggers/chocolate-covered-katie/ Oh I know, and have seen the GOMI thread on CCK before. I don't have to like the person or condone their eating habits to try a recipe. I tend to ignore suggested serving sizes anyway, so I never paid much attention to that.
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Post by raindroproses on Jun 2, 2013 9:30:31 GMT -6
Oh I know, and have seen the GOMI thread on CCK before. I don't have to like the person or condone their eating habits to try a recipe. I tend to ignore suggested serving sizes anyway, so I never paid much attention to that. Yeah, pretty much this I never really connected her to anorexia (although I read plenty of comments attacking her for being anorexic on her page before, and then tons of people including herself becoming upset about it and denying it) but I always sort of thought her servings were rather... small. And that was even back when I was being unhealthy and practically eating at starvation levels myself. But pre-LC there were some recipes on there that I really loved. The Breakfast Cookie Dough comes to mind, I think it was... and it was VERY filling. It was basically bran flakes blended up with almond milk and some chia seeds in a blender along with some sweetener and coconut/vanilla extract. And then I stirred in some chocolate chips and put it in the fridge to chill for a bit. Better than oatmeal imo, and I wish there was a LC option to sub in for the bran flakes. There just isn't. Cereal is one of the things I miss the most I think, but I did find some LC-friendly recipes for making my own so I may try it some day when I'm adventurous
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Post by reddarin on Jun 2, 2013 9:35:42 GMT -6
Thanks I'd said something like that before a few times on the other forum but I thought that post really solidified the truth of the matter so it'd be good as a sticky and I wanted to include it in the thread intro without having to post all of the text (making the intro really long).
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Post by reddarin on Jun 2, 2013 9:36:42 GMT -6
Melanie, have you tried the peppered turkey deli meat? I think Boar's Head has it too. It is super duper awesome!
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Post by raindroproses on Jun 2, 2013 9:43:18 GMT -6
Melanie, have you tried the peppered turkey deli meat? I think Boar's Head has it too. It is super duper awesome! Ooooh no, I haven't tried it but that sounds awesome! I always liked the peppered bacon that Aldi sells, so I bet the turkey meat would be delicious What I like about Boar's Head is they make so many different varieties of things, and all of it is gluten free/filler free, and most of it has very little if any carbs. Also lots of low sodium options too which is great for me! That frees up space for salad dressings if I want to make a salad using deli meats/cheeses They actually make a Cajun style seasoned roast beef that I want to try, but my Kroger's deli didn't have it when I went. That might be something I'll have to hunt for in NYC! I just looked at my Boar's Head pamphlet they gave me, and they do have a peppered turkey by the way. It's called Cracked Pepper Mill Smoked Turkey Breast
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Post by myles on Jun 2, 2013 9:45:48 GMT -6
hi June~
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Post by raindroproses on Jun 2, 2013 9:53:58 GMT -6
You know, that GOMI page kind of irks me for some reason. Not that I disagree with the fact that CCK is an annoying blogger or anything like that, because she is... but from reading that page, essentially I've been told (indirectly of course) that I too have an eating disorder. Because I care enough about my body to cut out things that I know are harmful for it, like processed foods and sugar. Apparently that's now being called "orthorexia." Seriously. Apparently anything outside of SAD is just disordered eating now, I don't know. I struggled with an ED before I found my current WOE and discovered why I was so ill... my SO struggles with an ED. I know what disordered eating looks like, and I honestly don't think that if someone chooses to forego eating sugar or grains or gluten or processed foods that means they have a problem. I think that means that they're health conscious enough to recognize the effects certain things have on their bodies, and they choose to give those things up to better their health and FEEL better. Do I get nervous thinking about having to eat meals that are prepped by someone else, or knowing I have to dine out sometimes? Yeah, of course I do. I have no control over those situations except to hope they really don't add gluten into my meal, or to make the best decisions I can make with the knowledge I have. But to say that's unhealthy and disordered to me is just messed up. I do agree that SOME people take things to extremes (a few people back at LCF come to mind for sure) but I don't eat only grass fed meats and organic produce or try and balance every single nutrient to a freaking T... I do what I feel is right for my body, you know? I don't know, I think people would be a lot better off if they paid less attention to what everyone else was doing with their lives and they paid more attention to what they were doing with their own. I just didn't like that page for that reason because it's pretty distressing for someone who recovered from an ED to essentially be told they have ANOTHER ED because they care about their body and are trying to feel healthy again. Just thought I'd throw that out there in case anyone is particularly triggered by those sorts of accusations or anything like that, so they don't actually go to that link to read what people had to say. That's the first I've heard of orthorexia nervosa, and to me it just sounds like (except in VERY extreme circumstances) something that SAD eaters made up to make themselves feel better about their decisions, and make others feel bad about their own. Or something that was just borne out of a whole mass of misinformation because I'm sorry... the effects processed foods have on my body are not "imaginary," they're very much real *jumps off soap box*
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Post by myles on Jun 2, 2013 10:00:06 GMT -6
Melanie i couldnt totally understand some of your post because im not familiar with all the different acronyms.
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Post by myles on Jun 2, 2013 10:01:08 GMT -6
Further to Darin's post about magnesium, i am taking webber naturals brand extra strength magnesium easy absorption pills in 500mg tabs once a night before bed. I wonder if i should up it to 2 ? Im thinking about it.
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Post by raindroproses on Jun 2, 2013 10:04:04 GMT -6
Melanie i couldnt totally understand some of your post because im not familiar with all the different acronyms. Oh, sorry about that! The GOMI thing is something that was linked to back on the May thread... it's a website called Get Off My Internet basically. I was just talking about that link there I think the only other ones I used were ED (for eating disorder, I just shortened it a few times) and SAD (for Standard American Diet). At least I think that's all I abbreviated
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Post by raindroproses on Jun 2, 2013 10:06:27 GMT -6
Further to Darin's post about magnesium, i am taking webber naturals brand extra strength magnesium easy absorption pills in 500mg tabs once a night before bed. I wonder if i should up it to 2 ? Im thinking about it. What type of magnesium is that Myles? You could definitely give it a shot, or if they're able to be split in half you could always try taking 1.5 at first to see how you do and eventually up it to the full 1000mg... the worst thing that could happen though is you get a little bit of stomach distress in response to a higher dosage, and then you'd know it was too much too soon (or just too much in general perhaps )
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Post by myles on Jun 2, 2013 10:29:42 GMT -6
Further to Darin's post about magnesium, i am taking webber naturals brand extra strength magnesium easy absorption pills in 500mg tabs once a night before bed. I wonder if i should up it to 2 ? Im thinking about it. What type of magnesium is that Myles? You could definitely give it a shot, or if they're able to be split in half you could always try taking 1.5 at first to see how you do and eventually up it to the full 1000mg... the worst thing that could happen though is you get a little bit of stomach distress in response to a higher dosage, and then you'd know it was too much too soon (or just too much in general perhaps ) the ingredients say Magnesium ( Oxide, Malate, Glycerophosphate)... 500mg then all the non medicinal crap. It says on the bottle "no artificial colours, preservatives or sweeteners, no dairy, gluten or yeast" Is that what you mean? Im not scared to try 1000 MG! i am a big guy after all
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Post by raindroproses on Jun 2, 2013 10:37:18 GMT -6
the ingredients say Magnesium ( Oxide, Malate, Glycerophosphate)... 500mg then all the non medicinal crap. It says on the bottle "no artificial colours, preservatives or sweeteners, no dairy, gluten or yeast" Is that what you mean? Im not scared to try 1000 MG! i am a big guy after all Yep, I was wondering what sort (oxide, citrate, etc) because different types are absorbed at different rates. I definitely think you'd be okay on 1000mg simply because a portion of it is in oxide dorm, and from what I've been reading lately magnesium oxide is only absorbed at a 4% rate into the body on a cellular level... that means the rest of it is expelled pretty much, and that's why many people get the laxative effect from using it. I'm planning on starting Natural Calm tonight in addition to my magnesium oxide, so we'll see how that goes. I was told that only 12mg of a 500mg magnesium oxide pill is actually absorbed, and that's just not good for someone like me who needs it on a cellular level moreso than I need it to stay regular
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 11:24:48 GMT -6
Melanie, I agree with you about GOMI. Not wanting to eat a bunch of junk food doesn't make someone orthorexic. Some of these healthy living bloggers may have eating disorders, but snarking about it on the internet isn't helping anyone.
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Post by reddarin on Jun 2, 2013 12:41:22 GMT -6
I've never heard of this person or the GOMI board before today. You know, that GOMI page kind of irks me for some reason. Not that I disagree with the fact that CCK is an annoying blogger or anything like that, because she is... but from reading that page, essentially I've been told (indirectly of course) that I too have an eating disorder. How so Melanie? If the posts that are dinging her as having an ED are indirectly indicting you too then aren't the posts defending her also defending you? And *you* don't have a public blog making assertions about health while presenting yourself as the poster child for your own assertions. Right? Jimmy Moore, for example, gets criticized up one side and down the other but it doesn't transfer to me personally when someone says something that is offensive about JM's way of eating or how he looks. And he has been accused of ED too hasn't he? Aside from that, according to the 'well-balanced' crowd, all LC'rs are eating disordered. They don't know what they are talking about so /shrug. To me she looks unhealthy because she is so thin but I chalk that up to her awful vegan way of eating. Don't really skinny people get accused of ED all the time though? But... She has a blog that is about health and presents herself regularly as a beneficiary of what she promotes. She isn't just some random person off the street. You are personalizing what complete strangers are saying, with arguably some justification, about another complete stranger that is in a totally different situation from yourself. I'm low information on eating disorders but the posts pointing out why she doesn't appear to have an ED made sense to me. Like her hair looking healthy and how bones weren't showing etc.
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Post by raindroproses on Jun 2, 2013 13:09:15 GMT -6
Oh sure, I'm agreeing that some of the posts made sense and all that. When I said that I think people should pay less attention to others and more attention to themselves, I didn't mean it in reference to CCK... I meant it in reference to how others oftentimes treat their peers in general which is what that GOMI page reminded me of. Because eventually it stemmed away from Katie, into "I think ALL bloggers who severely restrict what they eat (no flour, no sugar, etc) are eating disordered," into basically "I think everyone who follows those bloggers or posts at places dedicated to food are really just eating disordered and trying to convince themselves that what they're doing is okay when it's really messed up." Seriously, that's what it dissolved into. I really don't care what they say about CCK or any of the other bloggers honestly... I think it's rude to speculate on something so personal, but when you put yourself out there in the public eye it's bound to happen and you sort of have to take the bad with the good. But what bothered me was when it dissolved into all this nonsense about how if you avoid processed foods, or cut out things, or you even (god forbid) spend a lot of time researching foods or looking at recipes or (again, god forbid) posting at a site dedicated to a way of eating or a specific "restrictive" diet plan... you're eating disordered. I post here all the time about foods and the way they affect my body. Before that, I used to post on LCF. I spend a lot of time logging my foods, and I spend a lot of time browsing those blogs looking for recipes. When I'm not doing anything else, I'm probably cataloging recipes so I can get inspiration from them later on. I DO restrict a lot of things in my diet now out of necessity. But I don't feel like that makes me eating disordered, and that was really frankly insulting to read on there... and then when I started Googling "orthorexia nervosa" I just got more irritated by how the entire LC community can apparently be lumped into this disordered eating category practically that before now I've never even heard existed. Anyway, long story short I wasn't personalizing what strangers were saying about CCK... but rather what they extrapolated on and began saying about those who follow blogs dedicated to no sugar baking, or whole foods, or whatever. Because I DO follow blogs of that nature. That sort of thing is very triggering to someone who used to suffer from an ED, and I believe it's that kind of attitude that actually CREATES many ED's in people. That's why I said people would do a lot better to not make derogatory comments or judgy comments about what other people are doing, or try to assume WHY they're doing it... because in the end, all they can do is guess and those guesses are oftentimes very harmful to a person's psyche. Case in point, back when I struggled on and off with ED's... a lot of where that even came from in the first place was being told I was fat, and not good enough, and "Oh my god, do you see her? Look at how much food she's eating." Or "Well, no wonder you're so fat... you eat ranch dressing." Or even just snide little remarks like, "Well, I wouldn't eat that because it's horrible for you... but you can go ahead." Basically I grew up with people constantly making remarks about how I looked, or what I was eating, or how MUCH I was eating, and I know that those sorts of things mess people up. They do. SO went through the same crap pretty much, with people constantly making remarks and so eventually it turned into "Fine, then I just won't eat at all." Or "Fine, I'll just eat the smallest amount I can manage and then purge later." I honestly didn't know that JM gets harassed and called out for having an ED either, but I'm not really surprised. I agree that most people just don't know what they're talking about when it comes to nutrition in the first place and that's where a lot of the BS comes from. Really, it just rubbed me the wrong way and kind of triggered a lot of old feelings in me when I realized how a lot of people view LC-ers and those who follow a more restrictive diet... I just wanted to throw the warning out there for anyone who's suffered through similar experiences in the past, so they might not follow the link and feel triggered as well. The thing that gets me too with orthorexia is that the claim is that people follow "restrictive" diets and cut things out like processed foods and grains and such because of "imagined" reasons. That completely invalidates a lot of medical conditions that people struggle with on a daily basis, myself included. I'm pretty sure when my own DOCTOR tells me not to eat processed foods, grains, or gluten it's not because he's endorsing me having an ED... it's because there really IS an effect that these things have on most people's health, and it's just commonsense not to load your system down with garbage! But you know, what do I know? I'm just eating disordered
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 13:22:49 GMT -6
Vegan is a lifestyle based on ethical beliefs, not a weight loss diet, although some people use it as a way to disguise food restriction. I got even fatter eating a vegan diet.
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Post by raindroproses on Jun 2, 2013 13:39:34 GMT -6
Vegan is a lifestyle based on ethical beliefs, not a weight loss diet, although some people use it as a way to disguise food restriction. I got even fatter eating a vegan diet. I think some people actually go vegan to lose weight actually (I know someone who has no ethical reason for being vegan, just simply thinks it's going to lead to her being healthier) but yeah... usually it is the people who will lecture you about how many pigs had to die so you could have that bacon Funny story though (although I guess in reality it's not really funny at all) I almost died eating a vegan diet. True story. And whenever I tell vegetarians/vegans about it, they tell me it's nonsense and it's "impossible" that I got sicker eating their diet and the only way I got well again was to eat meat... they told me it's because I just wasn't getting enough protein, or because I must have had another mineral deficiency because I wasn't eating the RIGHT vegan foods. Nope, and nope. It's because soy products are HUGE in the vegan community, ESPECIALLY if you want to get alternate forms of protein... and lo and behold, soy can kill me I came to find out years later. I definitely wouldn't recommend it to anyone
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Post by amanda on Jun 2, 2013 13:40:11 GMT -6
Weigh-in this morning ... 189.1 so down point four despite the big calorie high protein day with the ribs yesterday Whoop whoop! We wanted to do ribs today but damn weather isn't cooperating much
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Post by clueless on Jun 2, 2013 13:46:23 GMT -6
Weigh-in this morning ... 189.1 so down point four despite the big calorie high protein day with the ribs yesterday Whoop whoop! We wanted to do ribs today but damn weather isn't cooperating much Cloudy here too Amanda. Rain is taunting us, but we could use some. We have gotten probably 4 quarts of strawberries from our little patch this week. Man they are good. But yesterday they were getting pretty dry.
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Post by raindroproses on Jun 2, 2013 13:48:53 GMT -6
Whoop whoop! We wanted to do ribs today but damn weather isn't cooperating much Cloudy here too Amanda. Rain is taunting us, but we could use some. We have gotten probably 4 quarts of strawberries from our little patch this week. Man they are good. But yesterday they were getting pretty dry. I'll third the clouds, but geez... Cheryl, you guys could definitely have had some of our rain we've been having. We haven't had a nice day since before Memorial Day! It's been in the 80's this week most of the days, but storming and/or raining on and off pretty much the entire time. So cruel having park weather and not being able to enjoy it I hope your strawberries don't dry up! It's been forever since I've been able to eat berries so they sound fantastic
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Post by RoBiN <3 on Jun 2, 2013 13:49:10 GMT -6
Weigh-in this morning ... 189.1 so down point four despite the big calorie high protein day with the ribs yesterday Awesome!! I love seeing your daily posts showing such high calories then seeing your WI go down, it still confounds me why anyone would want to follow SAD and eat 1200 cals a day and be grumpy/hungry all the time. Further to Darin's post about magnesium, i am taking webber naturals brand extra strength magnesium easy absorption pills in 500mg tabs once a night before bed. I wonder if i should up it to 2 ? Im thinking about it. Have not yet listened to the podcast but looked at the summary: You’ll get diarrhea if you take too much magnesium Do two times the RDA for magnesium for optimal levels So seems like it wouldn't hurt to up it and if you get too much you will know and can back off. Sounds like much worse to not get enough in so your body can absorb it...but I'm still trying to figure out my own magnesium dosage lol...planning to listen to all the podcasts linked by @reddarin when I'm at work early this week. Def going to be ordering the mag flakes, that just sounds awesome.
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Post by RoBiN <3 on Jun 2, 2013 13:53:19 GMT -6
I went from LC high protein, moderate fat to being vegan for 5 weeks. Stuck to it like glue but did have honey at one point on accident lol...oops. It was fun eating all the veggies, beans and fruit. I love fruit...yeah I gained weight because I was hungry and eating sugar/carbs to try and get full...didn't work out too well for me. The bacon post-vegan was like explosions of delight in my mouth...lol I knew I couldn't sustain that WOE for very long, was impressed did it for 5 weeks. It was from reading some book...what was it...can't even remember now. One of them was about a firefighter who was vegan. Anyway, yeah...it wasn't my best choice for trying to lose fat/weight.
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Post by clueless on Jun 2, 2013 14:00:15 GMT -6
I dated a vegetarian for a while. That was no fun!!! I mean he was a funny guy, but I wanted to eat meat and he just wanted to go for ice cream.
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Post by amanda on Jun 2, 2013 14:05:18 GMT -6
WI Today 190.2....interesting thing is dh and I have noticed a visible difference in my body in the last few days. I think because my weight is very evenly distributed I may not be seeing the inches move down significantly although I'm going through body recomposition. I'm ok with that! So I'm headed to a town on this business trip with only one restaurant in town - BBQ. I've heard they will serve meat with no sauce, so that takes care of lunch and dinner. I hate powdered eggs so I will bring my microwave egg poacher and stop at the grocery store in town for eggs & sausage.
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Post by reddarin on Jun 2, 2013 14:14:22 GMT -6
Vegan is a lifestyle based on ethical beliefs, not a weight loss diet, although some people use it as a way to disguise food restriction. I got even fatter eating a vegan diet. Oh, I agree most vegans are fat or on their way to being fat. But there are a visible minority of rail thin vegans that are paraded around as the reason veganism is healthy because you stay skinny.
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