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Post by perfectdeb on Jun 9, 2013 2:00:49 GMT -6
lets discuss vitamins and supplements i'm in an odd position, my husband has haemochromatosis, he was told never to take iron supplements which is logical, but he was also told to go easy on citrus fruit and don't supplement vitamin C. while on the face of it this seems sensible i'm now wondering if by not supplementing vitamin C at a therapeutic level he's missing out on the CVS protective benefits of Vit C I know Vit C helps assimilate Iron but could he say take it at the beginning of the day when he's not eating an iron rich meal? i'm thinking that it would be better to take the Vit C and just regularly give blood |
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Post by gretalyn on Jun 9, 2013 7:49:30 GMT -6
My dad has hemochromatosis as well, and since he is very needle phobic and HATES the phlebotomies with a fiery red passion, he also chooses to avoid Vitamin C. Like you, though, I have wondered if it would be alright for him to take it, as long as he does so at times when he is eating foods that are exceptionally low in iron. I don't really have any insights to offer, though, I've just wondered about it as well. If your husband doesn't mind the phlebotomies as much, then it might be worth trying the experiment. How often does he get his ferritin levels checked? As long as he could keep an eye on his numbers and make sure things aren't getting out of control, then it shouldn't be too much of a problem, right?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2013 8:46:55 GMT -6
I don't know much about hemochromatosis, but have heard that people with it can donate blood to keep iron levels from getting too high. That sounds like a win-win solution.
I have multi-vitamins, vitamin C tablets, magnesium citrate powder, 5-htp, and pterostilbene. I don't know if the vitamins make a difference because I'm not consistent about taking them. Pterostilbene helps to curb my appetite and the 5-htp and magnesium seem to improve sleep. My mood is better on 5-htp also; I must have needed the serotonin boost.
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Post by perfectdeb on Jun 9, 2013 9:43:29 GMT -6
He's heterozygous so his iron levels have never been really high, te only reason we know is because his brother was diagnosed
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Post by gretalyn on Jun 9, 2013 11:07:49 GMT -6
Oh, well in that case Deb I would imagine that he could get away with some Vit C supplementation, just doing it while avoiding Fe. My Dad has the homozygous recessive type, and his ferritin levels were through the roof when he was diagnosed, way above normal range. Your husband probably has a lot more flexibility than my Dad.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2013 9:24:30 GMT -6
I just threw out a few bottles of expired vitamins. I'm curious about what others are taking, and if you have seen any benefits from supplementing. I track several nutrients on Sparkpeople, including iron, calcium, vitamin A, vitamin C, and magnesium. I know that I am not getting enough magnesium through diet, so I use a magnesium citrate powder.
I don't think I'm getting enough vitamin D, but there seems to be a lot of controversy about getting more through supplements. I dislike seafood, and have been thinking about getting fish oil capsules for omega 3's. Flax meal has some omega 3, but I've read that it doesn't convert efficiently to DHA.
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Post by reddarin on Sept 15, 2013 11:48:19 GMT -6
I just threw out a few bottles of expired vitamins. I'm curious about what others are taking, and if you have seen any benefits from supplementing. I track several nutrients on Sparkpeople, including iron, calcium, vitamin A, vitamin C, and magnesium. I know that I am not getting enough magnesium through diet, so I use a magnesium citrate powder. I don't think I'm getting enough vitamin D, but there seems to be a lot of controversy about getting more through supplements. I dislike seafood, and have been thinking about getting fish oil capsules for omega 3's. Flax meal has some omega 3, but I've read that it doesn't convert efficiently to DHA. I take Krill oil, CoQ10, garlic, D3, magnesium, potassium and a men's multivitamin. I also take hawthorn berries for BP. You should for sure supplement with fish oil if you do not eat seafood regularly. Magnesium is very important and you should supplement even if you get the so-called RDA/RDI from your food. Check out this excellent Jimmy Moore podcast with Dr. Robbins about this mineral. It is an eye opener: livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/the-llvlc-show-episode-602-morley-robbins-says-what-you-dont-know-about-magnesium-might-kill-you/15230As to empirical evidence that the supplements I take actually have a positive health outcome... I have no idea. I'm inclined to think so. No matter what your choice is for a way of eating, you eat to your own individual taste. I think it is unlikely that you are getting optimal vitamins and minerals by the mere happenstance that what *you* like to eat is providing 100% of all you need along those lines. Fish is a good example. You probably are not getting a good amount of the essential omega fats without fish as a regular part of your diet and there is a lot of evidence that the bare minimum, which you might get without eating seafood, is far below what is good for tangible benefits to health. Magnesium too. No food is a very rich source of magnesium and even the ones that are higher in this mineral probably are not eaten in sufficient quantity to give you a lot of the benefits that this mineral brings to your body. There is another great podcat Jimmy Moore did with Dr. Bowden about supplements: livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/atlcx-episode-26-dr-jonny-bowden-all-things-vitamins-supplements-101/15650 |
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Post by reddarin on Sept 15, 2013 14:05:09 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 21:50:38 GMT -6
Bumping the thread to update on what I'm taking these days. I think the D3 and fish oil are helping my mood. Usually by this time of year I would be affected by the change in weather, and becoming depressed/anxious. Morning: multi-vitamin without iron vitamin C, 120 mg fish oil capsules with D3, 1000 mg Late afternoon: zinc monomethionine, 20 mg. I added zinc a few days ago after reading this blog post, and realizing that I may be zinc deficient after 5+ years of a vegetarian and vegan diet. I started tracking zinc intake in my Sparkpeople log, and I'm definitely not getting enough from foods. Evening/bedtime: magnesium citrate, 400 mg 50 mg 5-htp, if having trouble sleeping |
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Post by kewlkat on Dec 1, 2013 5:41:24 GMT -6
My hubby failed a stress test last June. I was concerned about his symptoms and wanted confirmation of my suspicions. I have him on the Linus Pauling protocol to reverse plaque (patented by the way). I also have him on most recommended supplements from Dr Cobb, DOM, Sante Fe, NM. He's been doing quite well and we're anxious to see the repeat test in 6 months. He went from being able to do little exertion, such as mowing the yard, walking while golfing, etc, without pain and breathlessness to taking short breaks, quickly recovering and carrying on WITHOUT chest pain. His cardiologist wanted to do the angiogram with probable stents and my hubby said NO. He told the doctor that it would fix nothing, he didn't want a lifelong path of drugs because of stents, etc. So, I support his choice to approach in a more conservative manner. Vitamin C is VERY important to keep our arteries healthy. I can't recommend it enough. I have taken doses in excess of 32 grams, yes grams, a day when I'm my sickest. Dr Pauling recommended no less than 3 grams, spread throughout the day for Maintenance, and at least 6 grams for therapeutic benefits. Here are some sources of information if you're interested. Dr Cobb talks about Vitamin C His ebook, Reversing Heart Disease The Easy Waywellspringpublishinggroup.com/wl/cobb.pdfThree Cases of Heart Disease Reversed, by Dr Cobb www.paulingtherapy.com/pdfs/ThreeCasesofHeartDiseaseReversed+.pdfPauling patent - 5278189, Jan 11, 1994, PREVENTION AND TREATMENT OF OCCLUSIVE CARDIOVASCULAR DISEASE WITH ASCORBATE AND SUBSTANCES THAT INHIBIT THE BINDING OF LIPOPROTEIN (A)internetwks.com/pauling/lpatent.html |
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