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Post by gretalyn on Jun 3, 2013 9:54:20 GMT -6
In the thread that I started about exercise, I mentioned that Mark Lauren, author of You Are Your Own Gym, says (as do many, many others!) that you should eat a high-carb meal after a workout, because the insulin released will push nutrients into your muscles, helping you to build muscle mass.
So I was pondering this on my morning walk, and I was thinking of that other bit of common wisdom that your brain must burn glucose for fuel. Well, we all know that this is only *conditionally* true. Your brain burns glucose if you're eating a diet high in glucose. But in the absence of glucose and the presence of abundant fat, it will switch to burning mostly ketones.
I'm wondering if there could be something similar with regard to the way your body builds/maintains muscle on a carb-based diet versus a fat-based one. About ten years ago now, my first introduction to the world of low-carb came from the book Life Without Bread by Allan and Lutz. An excellent read, by the way. Anyway, in that book they said that low-carb can not only help those who are overweight lose excess body fat, but can also help the chronically skinny put on muscle mass. I don't remember if they explained the whys and hows of that, and unfortunately my copy is loaned out right now so I can't check.
I'm curious if anyone has read anything about this. Does your body build muscle differently when on NK versus SAD? I haven't done weights consistently for some time now (though I am starting again), but I remember in the past noticing that it was easier for me to build muscle mass while on NK than when not, even though since my body is producing less insulin, this shouldn't be the case if the common wisdom is valid.
Well, just kind of "thinking out loud" here and wondering what you guys think.
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Post by clueless on Jun 3, 2013 10:34:52 GMT -6
This is very interesting. I really have no knowledge about it, But I have noticed that my muscles are getting bigger and I am only doing some yoga. I am also stronger doing the yoga than I was before LC. My muscle soreness goes away days faster too. The other day one of my DC kiddies said with her eyes very wide "Ms Cheryl, You have big muscles" LOL I think this is a great thread Gretalyn.
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Post by reddarin on Jun 3, 2013 11:08:37 GMT -6
I hope Phillip weighs in on this because I think he has looked into it quite a bit.
But I can explain it I think (if I understood what I googled when I was trying to figure out what the heck Punkin was babbling about in one of her many long scattershot posts over yonder).
The reason for the high carb meal, as far as actually building muscle mass, is to promote insulin release because insulin is integral to muscle hypertrophy. The reason that an NK'r or LC'r can build muscle mass without carbing up is that the key issue is not insulin production but insulin sensitivity. LC promotes insulin sensitivity so you don't have to carb out to build muscles because your body is far superior at handling insulin than a SAD eater.
Competition level athletes are in a completely different category. If you are going to win contests you are probably going to have to use Lyle McDonald's approach or one of the myriad other approaches that include carb spiking. But these people are trying to reach a singular state - not maintain it over a long period of time. They will stay in shape and continue some sort of standard woe but they won't do it to the nth degree until they are prepping for a competition. So those people could be strictly NK when not training for something specific.
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Post by gretalyn on Jun 3, 2013 12:07:28 GMT -6
I have noticed that my muscles are getting bigger and I am only doing some yoga. I am also stronger doing the yoga than I was before LC. My muscle soreness goes away days faster too. The other day one of my DC kiddies said with her eyes very wide "Ms Cheryl, You have big muscles" LOL That is awesome, Cheryl!
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Post by gretalyn on Jun 3, 2013 12:09:47 GMT -6
The reason that an NK'r or LC'r can build muscle mass without carbing up is that the key issue is not insulin production but insulin sensitivity. LC promotes insulin sensitivity so you don't have to carb out to build muscles because your body is far superior at handling insulin than a SAD eater. Ah-ha! Thank you, Darin! That makes perfect sense. I also vaguely remember something in Life Without Bread about how a LC diet increases your body's production of growth hormone, so I wonder if that might play a role as well. I really need to read that book again.
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Post by incogneeto on Jun 3, 2013 13:18:03 GMT -6
Does anyone know how fast someone can gain muscle mass? what I mean is, how mwny pounds of muscle in a month can you put on when working out? Do body builders put on many pounds of muscle each month?
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Post by reddarin on Jun 3, 2013 16:32:05 GMT -6
Does anyone know how fast someone can gain muscle mass? what I mean is, how mwny pounds of muscle in a month can you put on when working out? Do body builders put on many pounds of muscle each month? From what I can tell there is no one answer to this question. A lot depends on your body - hormonal responsiveness, potential for muscle grown, sex, age, current fitness level, etc. Anywhere from two pounds to five pounds a month, initially, is probably a reasonable range with a diligent and effective workout routine. You will reach a plateau at some point and then it is hard slogging to keep increasing in size. You are also going to be limited by your phenotype. For example, a petite woman will not bulk up the way a bigger woman (bigger in body size). A person with a runner's physique won't bulk up the way a stouter built person would. A person that goes from not having worked out to working out will bulk up faster than someone that that is already a gym junky. It is easier to build muscle mass for noobs strange as that sounds. And usually the increase is very noticeable. Body builders that have been at it for a few years work very hard for very small progress. But by that time they are living what they are doing and that is the same for almost all of them so it isn't a big bummer when it happens. More like a welcome to the inner circle type situation I think. I haven't read the book but if you are interested in gaining muscle mass you should check out McGuff's book Body By Science. He also has some videos on YouTube. The long and short of it is that less is more for actually building muscle mass (outside of competition level type stuff). His plan is a 12 to 15 minute a week intense workout with a three to six day rest period between workouts. That is what he does and you can see from his vids that he is in shape. McGuff is a paleo guy so he may or may not be a big carb person. I kind of doubt he is, considering the workout he promotes. You've got to be on your guard for the carb-centric nutritional propaganda in the exercise community. Most of them fervently believe what they are saying about how essential carbs are so they can be very convincing. Never forget, there are essential amino acids (protein), there are essential fats, but there are zero essential carbs. Also, Greta has a book that she says is very good for using your own body weight as your gym (and resistance = strength training = muscle growth).
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Post by reddarin on Jun 4, 2013 7:19:58 GMT -6
I hope Phillip weighs in on this because I think he has looked into it quite a bit. Wups. Forgot all about the tagging feature that this forum has nksl55 (Phillip)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 9:55:28 GMT -6
Entering this conversation late in the game. My niece via her trainer suggested that a person is to eat/drink protein within 30 minutes of working out, followed by a small carb, perhaps a few grapes, half an apple, then followed again by protein with a small portion of rice/potatoes within an hour of that.
I have tried following that principle. Worked for a while. Just doing the protein drink and have recently switched to low carb.
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Post by reddarin on Jul 12, 2013 21:13:36 GMT -6
I plan on having some fat and protein within an hour after working out tomorrow
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