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Post by reddarin on Dec 12, 2014 20:36:58 GMT -6
reddarin I remember you said that you calculate your ketogenic ratio for your daily diet (at least, I think I remember that correctly!), but have you ever made a spreadsheet to calculate the ketogenic ratio of individual foods? Such as, bacon has a ketogenic ratio of 2.0. Strawberries have a ketogenic ratio of 0.1. Things like that. I'm working on one now for my husband. I thought it might help him get a feel for which foods he can indulge in without restraint, and which ones should be eaten only sparingly. It's kind of fun because I'm a nerd that way. Also, what sort of ketogenic ratio are we looking for here? Just anything higher than 1? Nah. Just the aggregate KR. The Chrome extension I wrote for FitDay calculates it as I add stuff to the log. 1.5 or above is considered ketogenic: www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/ketosis-and-the-ketogenic-ratio-qa.html/I think if I were doing a spreadsheet I'd allow food combinations ala food log style. Strawberries by themselves have a nonexistent KR but adding lots of HWC pushes it up. You know, KR friendly foods are going to be calorie dense as all get out. If he is going to eat them without restraint maybe some stretchy pants for Christmas will be good. If he is just maintaining his weight I had wonderful results, depending on your point of view, being stuck at 205 just keeping carbs low (for real low not "this one donut will be okay" low) and otherwise eating meat and good fat without counting calories or messing with portion sizes. I've been wheat-free since October of 2011 too.
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Post by reddarin on Dec 12, 2014 20:39:12 GMT -6
Numbers for today.
Calories: 2,663
Fat: 202 Pro: 163 Car: 50 KR: 1.59
67/26/7
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Post by reddarin on Dec 12, 2014 20:41:26 GMT -6
Oh! I tried the fermented jalapeno pepper juice marinade today with some chicken breast I fried in refined CO....
Meh.
lol
It was not stupendous so I was disappointed. I brined the chicken in it for about 2 hours so maybe that just wasn't long enough.
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Dec 13, 2014 11:26:50 GMT -6
Hey it's Saturday. Having an allergy something or other today. Unusual these days. The little bit of allergy meds knocked me down a bit. Also unusual. I've decided to bring my scale home tomorrow and leave it here at home, only weighing in on Friday mornings after sleeping here Thursday night and still following my rules of good sleep and not before 5:30 a.m. This whole weight thing is a bother mentally to me these days. Still doing the carnivory 30 days. Did have cheese and lots of it last night (no the sneezing started before cheese). I have proof now, it was only an inkling before, that cheese quells all sense of fullness. I can eat piles of it without thinking I am ever full. Not good!
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Post by reddarin on Dec 13, 2014 12:30:39 GMT -6
Weigh-in this morning 174.6 and back down that one point five
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Post by clueless on Dec 13, 2014 17:36:03 GMT -6
Sorry bout the allergies Pam.
Hooray for the drop Darin!!
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Dec 13, 2014 19:15:07 GMT -6
Much better now Cheryl. A good bit of staying on the couch during the day fixed me right up.
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Post by reddarin on Dec 13, 2014 21:15:00 GMT -6
Numbers for today.
Calories: 2,501
Fat: 223 Pro: 84 Car: 48 KR: 2.03
79/14/7
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Post by gretalyn on Dec 14, 2014 8:41:31 GMT -6
Well, here's the one rather unexpected thing that I've learned from my little "ketogenic ratio of common foods" experiment. The peanut butter and mixed nuts that we commonly buy both have a ketogenic ratio of 1.6. In my experience a lot of low-carbers are really cautious about nuts and warn you to be careful with them, etc. I've never had any problems with them personally, so I didn't really get what the fuss was about (feel free to enlighten me!). Well, here's the funny part: chicken, depending on which cut and whether or not you eat the skin, has a ketogenic ratio of 1.0 - 1.6. Yet I've never heard any low-carber caution people about chicken! I realize the ketogenic ratio is only one way, among many, of looking at a food, but I just found that interesting. Chicken has so much protein and so little fat that it ends up being less ketogenic than nuts, even though nuts have carbs and chicken doesn't.
That's too bad about the jalapeno juice not making for a very interesting marinade, Darin. Bummer.
Pam, since you are feeling that weighing is a burden right now, is there really any need to do it? Maybe you could take an extended break from the scale - not just for a week at a time, but for weeks (months?) on end. Would there be any harm in that?
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Post by reddarin on Dec 14, 2014 9:52:09 GMT -6
Weigh-in this morning 174.5 and down point one.
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Post by reddarin on Dec 14, 2014 10:04:51 GMT -6
Well, here's the one rather unexpected thing that I've learned from my little "ketogenic ratio of common foods" experiment. The peanut butter and mixed nuts that we commonly buy both have a ketogenic ratio of 1.6. In my experience a lot of low-carbers are really cautious about nuts and warn you to be careful with them, etc. I've never had any problems with them personally, so I didn't really get what the fuss was about (feel free to enlighten me!). Well, here's the funny part: chicken, depending on which cut and whether or not you eat the skin, has a ketogenic ratio of 1.0 - 1.6. Yet I've never heard any low-carber caution people about chicken! I realize the ketogenic ratio is only one way, among many, of looking at a food, but I just found that interesting. Chicken has so much protein and so little fat that it ends up being less ketogenic than nuts, even though nuts have carbs and chicken doesn't. That's too bad about the jalapeno juice not making for a very interesting marinade, Darin. Bummer. Pam, since you are feeling that weighing is a burden right now, is there really any need to do it? Maybe you could take an extended break from the scale - not just for a week at a time, but for weeks (months?) on end. Would there be any harm in that? It's usually the calories that LC'rs are up in arms about. 1oz of almonds is about 170 calories so it is very easy to eat at a huge calorie surplus if you casually snack on nuts. 4 one ounce servings of almonds is about 700 calories. 4oz of chicken breast is about 200 calories. I do not think most LC'rs are familiar with the KR. Lyle McDonald is not an advocate of an Atkins or Phinney approach to losing weight or, in general I think, eating LC. He acknowledges the utility of LC but that's about it. The rest of it he dismisses out of hand sometimes aggressively because his personal experience is that eating carbs is a viable lifestyle. I've seen a few other experts with that same attitude.
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Post by gretalyn on Dec 14, 2014 11:23:18 GMT -6
It's usually the calories that LC'rs are up in arms about. 1oz of almonds is about 170 calories so it is very easy to eat at a huge calorie surplus if you casually snack on nuts. 4 one ounce servings of almonds is about 700 calories. 4oz of chicken breast is about 200 calories. I do not think most LC'rs are familiar with the KR. Lyle McDonald is not an advocate of an Atkins or Phinney approach to losing weight or, in general I think, eating LC. He acknowledges the utility of LC but that's about it. The rest of it he dismisses out of hand sometimes aggressively because his personal experience is that eating carbs is a viable lifestyle. I've seen a few other experts with that same attitude. Ah, I see. I don't count calories, and don't even think about calories, to be honest, so I didn't realize that was the source of the issue. I even wish that I could select settings on MyFitnessPal so that it would NOT display my calories. But since I don't think you can do that, I try to just tune it out. I realize not everyone can do that. I know some people need to watch both carbs and calories. But for now all I need to limit is carbs and my appetite takes care of the rest. I hope that lasts for many years to come!
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Post by reddarin on Dec 14, 2014 19:55:05 GMT -6
Numbers for today.
Calories: 2,644
Fat: 240 Pro: 90 Car: 47 KR: 2.11
79/14/7
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Dec 14, 2014 21:00:41 GMT -6
Hey Gretalyn. Thanks for the great question about the scale as it gave me the impetus to think about it. The reason I have at the moment is that at a certain weight my behavior will change in some manner because there is a weight place I will not go. I am at the top end of that now (137) and have been okay enough with it to not go back to another mental spot other than "Piffle, not my favorite place." I still have the sleep well/up-after-5:30 rule which does mean even if it is Friday it is possible I won't weigh for weeks. I suppose my clothes tell me enough and it is also nice to have data rather than fearing something.
I am thinking cedar is blowing in and I am having a reaction to it this year. Ugh. I haven't had any allergy reactions in a year or more. I like that way better than this way.
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Post by gretalyn on Dec 14, 2014 21:36:36 GMT -6
I think I get what you mean, Pam. I like weighing every day, personally, because it's a nice little reminder of what I've accomplished, as well as a motivation to keep it up. Also, when I do slip and eat things I shouldn't, it provides a "do you REALLY want to go there?" warning! But not everyone I know has that experience with it. My Mom said that weighing in was just too discouraging for her, because she kept expecting the number to change faster than it did. So she stopped weighing and just started enjoying the way her clothes fit instead. Whatever works!
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Dec 15, 2014 6:05:49 GMT -6
In the past I have been a daily weigher and that worked for me in the same way it works for you, Greta. This year, not so much. I haven't accomplished anything good in this realm over the course of 2014 and thus it doesn't provide that mental boost you are describing.
Allergies (cedar I guess) have kicked in royally. Ugh. I'll be loading up on allergy meds on the way home from Mom's later this morning.
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Post by reddarin on Dec 15, 2014 10:12:03 GMT -6
Weigh-in this morning 175.6 for an exciting one point one bounce. I did some push ups, curls, tricep kickbacks and bent over dumbbell rows *and* I fasted (except for morning liquid calories) until almost 6pm. I always take big bounces after a day like that to mean I inflicted some serious injury to body fat
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Post by reddarin on Dec 15, 2014 10:14:46 GMT -6
It's usually the calories that LC'rs are up in arms about. 1oz of almonds is about 170 calories so it is very easy to eat at a huge calorie surplus if you casually snack on nuts. 4 one ounce servings of almonds is about 700 calories. 4oz of chicken breast is about 200 calories. I do not think most LC'rs are familiar with the KR. Lyle McDonald is not an advocate of an Atkins or Phinney approach to losing weight or, in general I think, eating LC. He acknowledges the utility of LC but that's about it. The rest of it he dismisses out of hand sometimes aggressively because his personal experience is that eating carbs is a viable lifestyle. I've seen a few other experts with that same attitude. Ah, I see. I don't count calories, and don't even think about calories, to be honest, so I didn't realize that was the source of the issue. I even wish that I could select settings on MyFitnessPal so that it would NOT display my calories. But since I don't think you can do that, I try to just tune it out. I realize not everyone can do that. I know some people need to watch both carbs and calories. But for now all I need to limit is carbs and my appetite takes care of the rest. I hope that lasts for many years to come! What browser do you use Greta? I could probably adapt my Fitday extension to zap the calorie display on myfitnesspal if you use Chrome.
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Post by gretalyn on Dec 15, 2014 10:22:03 GMT -6
Sorry to hear about your allergies, Pam. We don't have cedars (or at least not many) here but we do have tons of juniper, and they are quite unpleasant in Jan and Feb.
Darin - I like that interpretation of your bounce!
I didn't have my weekend treat this time, and you know, I discovered that I am really happier this way. Maybe I'm just being neurotic, but I really like this Monday morning feeling that I am still on track, rather than that I am starting over. It's just a psychological thing, there weren't really any negative physical consequences as far as I could tell, but emotionally this is a better place for me. I just don't like that feeling of "okay, now I really have to get it together." I prefer feeling like, "yeah, I've got this. No big thing." Or maybe a better way to put it is feeling like I've got to get back in control versus feeling like I'm already in control. I don't know if I'm making sense. But anyway, I've decided to reduce the treats to special occasions (holidays, birthdays) rather than every weekend. I think that will work better for me.
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Post by gretalyn on Dec 15, 2014 10:25:50 GMT -6
What browser do you use Greta? I could probably adapt my Fitday extension to zap the calorie display on myfitnesspal if you use Chrome. Oh, thanks for thinking of that! But I use the MyFitnessPal app for the iPad.
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Post by reddarin on Dec 15, 2014 10:56:25 GMT -6
Allergies (cedar I guess) have kicked in royally. Ugh. I wonder if a little of that is around here? Yesterday I had a sinus headache for the first time in a long, long time and I actually took a decongestant and some ibuprofen not long after getting up. I was thinking it was the low pressure that brought the rain. Maybe it was a combination of the two.
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Dec 15, 2014 13:33:45 GMT -6
Cedar is early in Texas this year I've read so I am assuming is that. Also a mix of juniper. Once I get ahead of it with meds I'm fine but I can't get to the first sneeze or I'm done for for a few days. Which is what happened to me this time.
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Post by reddarin on Dec 15, 2014 20:59:53 GMT -6
Numbers for today.
Calories: 2,795
Fat: 254 Pro: 94 Car: 38 KR: 2.33
80/14/5
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Dec 16, 2014 3:47:22 GMT -6
Ugh, I will be so thankful when I get by this disturbed-sleep pattern I've got going on. No changes to point to that could be the cause. I get through the day well enough without great needs to nap so it continues weird. I will add some physical exertion of some sort later today--a nice walk or something. My daughter is coming to town on Friday and that is exciting!
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Post by reddarin on Dec 16, 2014 10:26:57 GMT -6
Weigh-in this morning 174.8 and down point eight.
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Post by gretalyn on Dec 16, 2014 15:46:51 GMT -6
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Post by reddarin on Dec 16, 2014 17:16:51 GMT -6
Huh. It doesn't seem like an applicable study since astronauts will almost certainly be 10+ years older than the 18 y/o subjects, married and eat home cooked meals, reinforcing the comfort part of comfort food, more often. Ah, yes as Dr. Avena pointed out indirectly (although I think she meant overweight people) : " or regularly eat comfort foods." - something a married person will do far more often than a college student surrounded by fellow fast food junky colleagues. lol It is magically yummy
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Post by reddarin on Dec 16, 2014 20:25:56 GMT -6
Numbers for today.
Calories: 2,566
Fat: 222 Pro: 106 Car: 49 KR: 1.90
76/17/7
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Post by gretalyn on Dec 16, 2014 20:41:30 GMT -6
Huh. It doesn't seem like an applicable study since astronauts will almost certainly be 10+ years older than the 18 y/o subjects, married and eat home cooked meals, reinforcing the comfort part of comfort food, more often. Ah, yes as Dr. Avena pointed out indirectly (although I think she meant overweight people) : " or regularly eat comfort foods." - something a married person will do far more often than a college student surrounded by fellow fast food junky colleagues. lol It is magically yummy Yes, I think the study definitely has its limitations, but I still thought it was interesting that the groups that were not given comfort foods bounced back at the same rate. I think that emotional stressors greater than just a disturbing movie would be the real test. But since some people dropped out of the study just because of the sad movies, that shows you that you couldn't in good conscience conduct a clinical study using something more traumatic than a movie - it wouldn't be fair to your subjects! Getting off on a tangent, but I never thought of Armageddon as a depressing movie! Yes, it has a very sad part, but overall, well everybody on earth does NOT die after all, so isn't that a happy ending? :-) Now Sophie's Choice, yes that's depressing. Had not seen, or even heard of, the other one.
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Post by gretalyn on Dec 16, 2014 20:42:35 GMT -6
What am I doing wrong when I post links?
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