kewlkat
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Post by kewlkat on Dec 30, 2013 7:01:14 GMT -6
Morning everyone. Sorry for the absence but still having medical issues and wondering if ketosis may be contributing to some and disappointed that some symptoms that left after adaptation are now returning.
Part of my trying keto was to see if my heart would settle down since ketosis causes the heart to operate with a 28% better efficiency. I’ve been suffering with arrhythmias for over a year. I was led to believe that they first appeared due to a magnesium deficiency exposed while treating a vitamin D3 deficiency. My doctor finally tested my D3 at my insistence and the result was 18. After several months of consuming the doctor’s prescribed high dose of D3 I began to have the arrhythmias. I guess D3 does need magnesium and since I guess I was low in magnesium, the large doses of D3 quickly depleted what I had. So, I was told to raise my magnesium first, then start back on D3. The arrhythmias continued off and on over this period of time, but since May the episodes feel some different. I’ve been supplementing with MG for over a year, up to 400 mg now so recently started the vitamin/mineral supplement as recommended by some on VLC diets. This supplement had the D3 but I thought surely by now my MG should be better. In a few days of taking the new supplement I experienced my first arrhythmia string. I had not had any since the 13th day of going ketogenic. Today is my 79th day of NK. My first response was what had I changed and to undo that. So, I stopped the supplement. On Friday, midday, I had a very bad spell at work, one of those oh too familiar ones, where I can’t breathe, I cough to get my heart back in rhythm and then feel like I’m going to black out. I phoned my spouse and went home. So, I guess the supplementation was only coincidental since I had not had any D3 in 3 days. Yesterday, my hearing started going again. Pain, fullness, muffled…….I have a diary of everything since I started eating this way and since my first day of following NK, I’ve had WAY more hearing issues than I’ve had in the previous 5 or more yrs. Again, is this coincidence? Or as a result of ketosis? I’m glad I decided to blood test so I do know I am in ketosis and wouldn’t be guessing with urine strips.
So here I sit, wondering what to do. As long as the heart seemed happy I did not want to stop NK, even tho I was having way more vestibular issues, but now that the horrible arrhythmias have returned AND my hearing continues to falter I’m less inclined to remain on the NK plan as maybe this is aggravating my hearing loss, pain, etc. I’ve been battling severe health issues since May 21, 2001. It has taken my independence, a job I loved, etc. I’m tired of having to fight so hard. I’m wearing out. It also doesn’t help to have an extremely stressful job and no other job options in site. I’ve been applying for other jobs for over a year now, significantly less than I make now just to get some relief but nothing. Maybe I’m too old now? Pushing 60. Doesn’t look good on a resume and then why do I want a job for less pay, they think and my favorite, I’m over qualified……
Sorry to vent, but I knew you would all understand. So, not sure what to do. I have hit a new low, 195.5 yesterday so I am finally losing weight which I’ve also been battling since moving here just over 3 yrs ago.
What are your thoughts?
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Post by clueless on Dec 30, 2013 7:20:52 GMT -6
Sounds so frustrating. I hope some of the others can give you some ideas. What is your gut telling you? Have you tried listing out pro's and con's since beginning NK? I hope you feel better soon.
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Post by gretalyn on Dec 30, 2013 8:16:27 GMT -6
I am so sorry that you are going through this! How very frustrating, and scary too. I gather that you are already under the care of a doctor, but do you think it might be worth seeing a doctor who better understands the intricacies of low-carb/ketogenic metabolism? Is there someone on this list who is near you? lowcarbdoctors.blogspot.com/I'm sorry, I don't know what else to suggest. But I certainly hope that you find the answers.
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Post by reddarin on Dec 30, 2013 9:32:28 GMT -6
The strength of N = 1 is how the border between correlation and causation becomes very thin. An epidemiological study *cannot* prove causation but in an N of 1 correlation and causation is often a distinction without a difference. Have you seen this blog post by Peter at HyperLipid? high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2009/11/brief-discussion-of-ketosis.htmlHe discusses arrhythmia brought about by ketosis. Perhaps it applies to you? If I understand him correctly he thinks adding back carbs and staying just above constant ketosis is the way to avoid the problem. You might try to shoot him an email describing what is going on and asking his thoughts on it. I'd preface it with the usual disclaimer about not soliciting medical advice just opinion and insight. Robb Wolf might also be a good person to approach. His Paleo Solution podcast is centered around answering health questions and he generally gives some very detailed responses. He is an advocate of LC but very pragmatical about it and doesn't hesitate to recommend other ways of eating if he thinks it will provide a solution to the health issue or quality of life issue. robbwolf.com/podcast/Jimmy Moore may also be a good person to email. He's spent years talking to experts about eating and health and even if he cannot answer you directly he may be able to put you in touch with someone that can. For example, when I emailed him a question about something he'd said regarding NK and protein on the Fat Burning Man podcast he replied quickly and after a couple of email exchanges said he'd ask Dr. Phinney about it. I think a cross between low-carb-Paleo and NK might work. Moderate protein and moderate carbs from whole foods with fat for the balance of calories. If ketosis is the problem that will solve it without sacrificing too many of the benefits of LC. How do your eating patterns look? Are you going for long periods without eating? That can be very stressful on the body so it is something to look at no matter what eating plan you adopt. I know this wasn't part of your actual question but I'd like to give my thoughts on it too and I hope you do not mind. "why do I want a job for less pay, they think and my favorite, I’m over qualified" Be frank in the interview or pre-interview. You want less stress and you recognize that a pay cut is requisite to that end. The overqualified objection is very easily dealt with if you consider what overqualified actually means to a potential employer. Why is someone disinclined to hire an overqualified person? Generally there are only two reasons: #1 - It is a waste of time hiring someone that will be moving on to a "better" job they are more qualified for as soon as they can find it. #2 - An overqualified person will be unsatisfied with a job below their skill level which can make them a marginal employee and potentially a bad influence on their coworkers since a dissatisfied employee finds fault with everything. The thing that ties those two things together, in my mind, is the assumption that this person is being forced into taking a job beneath them for financial reasons - they *have* no choice but to get some job any job for cash flow. I think if you can remove the reason behind the objection you'll be a lot closer to getting a much less stressful job. Turn your over qualification into an asset by pointing out how good of an influence a mature and skilled employee can be on less mature and less skilled co-workers. It is a win-win for you and the company. They get the benefit of your experience at a discount and you get a much less demanding work environment. You'll have to thread the needle a little bit because you do not want to over emphasis the "stress" issue to the point they think you will be unproductive and lackadaisical. I read "The Truth About Managing People" several months ago and I thought the part about the hiring process was interesting. Check your library and get some management books on how to hire people so you can better manage the interview process from the other side of the table. www.amazon.com/gp/product/0133090442
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Dec 30, 2013 9:34:44 GMT -6
My heart goes out to you. Especially with the myriad is it this? or is it that? naturally arise. My, oh my. I haven't read of the things you mention being associated with NK but I am not saying that I know much about it.
On the resume front, I hope you are not putting your age on your resume. It was a sentence you wrote about it not looking good on there which is defeating you at the interview table. Age isn't a question that can be asked legally. Hopefully you can find ways to express that your experience is exactly what "they" are looking for and that you are looking for a particular work environment that they appear to offer. You won't want to say "less stress."
Perhaps the list of doctors offered will be of help to you.
Blessings!
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Post by reddarin on Dec 30, 2013 9:42:25 GMT -6
Hopefully you can find ways to express that your experience is exactly what "they" are looking for and that you are looking for a particular work environment that they appear to offer. You won't want to say "less stress." Exactly! And that right there is perfect: "looking for a particular work environment that they appear to offer".
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kewlkat
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Post by kewlkat on Dec 30, 2013 10:44:32 GMT -6
Thank you all for your wise words. I'll re-read them again and check out the links.
Short story, I'm going deaf and have NO balance left in my ears. My balance is from my eyes and legs. I have some hearing in one ear and the other ear is dead. This all started from believe it or not, mumps, when I was a child. It took most hearing from one ear and balance from the other. Years later it became more autoimmune in nature, reared it's ugly head and now is trying to destroy what remains of my hearing and it already took what little balance I had. So I look for changes that will improve mitochondria, immunity, etc. There are research papers out there that describe me to a tee....but none of the research shows any hope of halting the progression and does talk about how difficult it is to manage such patients. That's why I'm trying alternatives and frankly ketosis is about the last thing for me to try. I believe in the science and that ketones are better for our bodies. I lack the gall bladder for proper fat metabolism so I've become deficient in D3, probably K, MG is an issue, etc., and not sure how much of all this fat I'm consuming is getting to where it needs to go? I have no functioning thyroid and have tried for years to get on the natural dessicated thyroid drug to no avail. I don't convert T4 to T3 well, have proven it in blood tests but still no one will allow me to try the natural with T1, T2, T3, etc.....If I were younger I'd go back to school and be an ND or holistic doctor and heal myself! I tried one doctor mentioned in that link but after a year, she retired. She also was hard to deal with, refused some testing saying if it showed anything she wouldn't know how to help me.....anyway, I now use a walk-in clinic to get my prescription refilled once a year and have given up on most of the medical community. I do have a cardiologist, but only seem him annually and he's already said can't do much on the arrythmias.....and my neuro-otologist is now too far away for me to travel to see. There are none in my immediate area and travel for a dizzy person is hard many days. So i use the internet to educate myself and meet others that like me are trying to heal themselves.
Ok....off to read some links.
Thank you again!
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kewlkat
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Post by kewlkat on Dec 30, 2013 12:13:52 GMT -6
I found this on a site that may be why I'm having them at all? I was tested for cortisol a couple years ago, about the time all this started and it was elevated but the doctor didn't know how to fix it and didn't refer me to anyone else. Perhaps it's a cortisol issue? I'll do some more reading and see if I find this information elsewhere. SOURCE Note of CautionYou should check with your physician if you have any concerns about starting a ketogenic diet plan with pre-existing health conditions, especially if those conditions involve kidney or heart problems.
Although ketosis, and ketogenic diets in general, are beneficial for most people, there is some anecdotal and research based evidence that suggests that ketosis will cause a transient increase in the body's levels of adrenaline and cortisol for a small subgroup of people.
These higher levels of stimulant hormones can cause thyroid issues, heart irregularities and elevated blood pressure for some, while others just feel more alert.
If you find you are one of the people in this subset, adding enough carbohydrate back into your diet to come out of ketosis should resolve the issues, and still allow for the health benefits and weight loss, if desired. However, you should consult your doctor about starting a ketogenic diet if you have any concerns.
However, be aware that most classically trained doctors don't understand the effect of foods on the body, much less ketogenic diets, so you may get push back, and a terrifying "danger of ketosis" sermon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 13:12:42 GMT -6
My heart goes out to you. Especially with the myriad is it this? or is it that? naturally arise. My, oh my. I haven't read of the things you mention being associated with NK but I am not saying that I know much about it. On the resume front, I hope you are not putting your age on your resume. It was a sentence you wrote about it not looking good on there which is defeating you at the interview table. Age isn't a question that can be asked legally. Hopefully you can find ways to express that your experience is exactly what "they" are looking for and that you are looking for a particular work environment that they appear to offer. You won't want to say "less stress." Perhaps the list of doctors offered will be of help to you. Blessings! Good advice about the resume. I only list the last 10 years of employment, and leave out the year I graduated from school.
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Dec 31, 2013 7:44:36 GMT -6
KK, how are you are you doing today?
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kewlkat
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Post by kewlkat on Jan 1, 2014 5:32:08 GMT -6
KK, how are you are you doing today? My hearing is a bit better today and so far not much in the arrhythmia department. I'm trying to concentrate on relaxing as I'm off work the rest of this week so I've not been online much. Thank you for asking.
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Jan 7, 2014 11:06:08 GMT -6
KK, was your week off helpful to you? Made a plan for this week?
Pam
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Post by lcer on Jan 7, 2014 12:10:01 GMT -6
Here is blog I've been following and you may want to check out: mariamindbodyhealth.com/my-services/ Maria Emmerich has helped many people with eating keto and healing their bodies. She has great recipes. She is also going to be one of the speakers on the Low Carb Cruise in May.
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kewlkat
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Post by kewlkat on Jan 7, 2014 17:33:58 GMT -6
Here is blog I've been following and you may want to check out: mariamindbodyhealth.com/my-services/ Maria Emmerich has helped many people with eating keto and healing their bodies. She has great recipes. She is also going to be one of the speakers on the Low Carb Cruise in May. Icer, thank you for the link. I'll check it out.
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kewlkat
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Post by kewlkat on Jan 7, 2014 17:47:21 GMT -6
KK, was your week off helpful to you? Made a plan for this week? Pam Well, I had to go in a few times, so not the long break I had hoped. I'm off the rest of this week supposedly.... A week ago, my hearing faltered non-stop, so I increased my carbs a bit, from an average of 11 to 32-34. I did this for 5 days with no improvement. My BK dropped to .2 on my last day of doing the increase. So, adding carbs didn't help and pretty much knocked me out of ketosis. I did wake yesterday with much better hearing. Today, I decided to go back to my previous carb goal and to eliminate all dairy, except butter. Looking at my diary, I began the hearing losses 30 days after starting NK. I also have a very large area on my foot that is either eczema or psoriasis, dr wasn't sure which, and have struggled to rid myself of this for nearly 2 years now, and since the addition of the dairy it's began to get much worse. Part of my stopping dairy was to see if this would improve, which it did. So prior to NK, I avoided all dairy, except butter. So, on NK I've been eating HWC, Cream Cheese, cheese in my omelets and some chunks of cheese. I hope maybe the dairy may be what's aggravating my vestibular system. Otherwise, I'm still plugging along.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 18:16:00 GMT -6
Here is blog I've been following and you may want to check out: mariamindbodyhealth.com/my-services/ Maria Emmerich has helped many people with eating keto and healing their bodies. She has great recipes. She is also going to be one of the speakers on the Low Carb Cruise in May. I'm highly skeptical of self-styled wellness experts, especially one who monetizes their blog and offers consultation services for a fee. She does have some great recipes but I don't know what qualifies her to advise people on health matters. kewlkat, I hope getting off dairy helps with some of your health issues.
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kewlkat
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Post by kewlkat on Jan 8, 2014 11:15:17 GMT -6
It's been 36 hrs since I've eaten dairy and my nose is much calmer and my foot doesn't itch as much......Ears are functioning with minimal ringing but still some deep pain. When I gave up dairy before I noticed a positive change in my skin within a week. Let's hope this is going to solve some of my problems.
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