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Post by victlady on Dec 30, 2013 13:45:24 GMT -6
Bunniee Go for the Chocolate...Go for the chocolate!!! Don't look back.
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Post by reddarin on Dec 30, 2013 15:08:37 GMT -6
Hmmm...maybe. I'm not restricting my calories at all. I restrict my carbs but otherwise eat to satiety. If I were to increase my overall calories, it would have to kind of force it. I'm not sure if that's worth it. When you bumped up to 3000, was that a conscious decision and effort, or did your appetite guide you there? I have never allowed satiety to set my calorie level since going NK. I've always consciously managed it. My reasoning behind that approach is very straight forward. LC usually results in artificial appetite suppression. I think of it in terms of artificiality because if appetite suppression sets your calorie level you can, and often will, eat too little which will trigger ancillary metabolic processes that happen specifically when calories are low: metabolism down regulation, thyroid down regulation, cortisol levels increase, and whatever else I can't think of off the top of my head. It is very easy to increase calories. My old standby is to point out that 12 little macadamia nuts are about 200 calories.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 16:24:05 GMT -6
Bunniee Go for the Chocolate...Go for the chocolate!!! Don't look back. I'm getting the chocolate, a bottle of vanilla extract, Vietnamese cinnamon, and fiori di sicilia (flavor extract that tastes like orange creamsicle).
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Post by victlady on Dec 30, 2013 16:48:34 GMT -6
Hmmm...maybe. I'm not restricting my calories at all. I restrict my carbs but otherwise eat to satiety. If I were to increase my overall calories, it would have to kind of force it. I'm not sure if that's worth it. When you bumped up to 3000, was that a conscious decision and effort, or did your appetite guide you there? I have never allowed satiety to set my calorie level since going NK. I've always consciously managed it. My reasoning behind that approach is very straight forward. LC usually results in artificial appetite suppression. I think of it in terms of artificiality because if appetite suppression sets your calorie level you can, and often will, eat too little which will trigger ancillary metabolic processes that happen specifically when calories are low: metabolism down regulation, thyroid down regulation, cortisol levels increase, and whatever else I can't think of off the top of my head. It is very easy to increase calories. My old standby is to point out that 12 little macadamia nuts are about 200 calories. A huge mistake on my part with this diet.. I can go all day on a handful of walnuts my average intake being around 700-800 calories no problem. Some days no eating at all Have been cracking the 1000 mark past few weeks and have gone down a size since. Love macadamia nuts too. Thanks for a kick in the info pants Darin needed it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 16:49:43 GMT -6
You know, this sounds great in theory. And I often hear low-carbers talk about how nice it is that they can miss a meal and not be hungry, or how they benefit from IF and such. But, man, I've been doing NK for almost three years now, and I still cannot miss ONE meal (and that meal MUST have protein) without going hypoglycemic. What is wrong with me??? I wonder if it is an issue with total calories and total protein? Back when I was eating around 2000 calories a day I could not easily go into late afternoon without getting uncomfortably hungry. Thanks to LC it wasn't uncontrollable hunger but it wasn't a walk in the park either. Since bumping my calories up to 3000+ I can go from 3pm yesterday to 1pm today without solid food only having my morning liquid coffee calories which are usually around 500. And I've really been high on protein grams too. I bumped the macros up weeks and weeks ago but still trend down in weight and I can't be more than 10 pounds or so from ideal. Leaving aside my ~4000 calorie excursions of course heh. And my trend up this past week. I just had kind of a duh moment regarding IF. When I was trying to fast 16-18 hours a day, I was also limiting calories. I would experience hunger during the day even after drinking 400 calories of bulletproof style coffee in the morning. Maybe that hunger and inability to stick with IF was due to not getting enough protein and calories the night before. hmm! Maybe I'll do some experimenting with IF in the new year.
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Post by victlady on Dec 30, 2013 16:51:04 GMT -6
Bunniee Go for the Chocolate...Go for the chocolate!!! Don't look back. I'm getting the chocolate, a bottle of vanilla extract, Vietnamese cinnamon, and fiori di sicilia (flavor extract that tastes like orange creamsicle). Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Post by storytha on Dec 30, 2013 18:05:13 GMT -6
A huge mistake on my part with this diet.. I can go all day on a handful of walnuts my average intake being around 700-800 calories no problem. Some days no eating at all Have been cracking the 1000 mark past few weeks and have gone down a size since. Love macadamia nuts too. Thanks for a kick in the info pants Darin needed it. My problem as well. That and too low protein. I've been making much more conscious choices to add protein and usually then the calories follow too.
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Post by gretalyn on Dec 30, 2013 18:56:38 GMT -6
Well, letting my appetite guide me usually puts me at 2000-2200 calories per day. And at the upper range of the protein levels recommended on NK. So I'm definitely not unintentionally starving myself -- according to the recommendations of the so-called experts I'm only supposed to eat 1850 calories per day! I'm definitely not one of those dainty women who will eat a side salad and pretend she's too stuffed to have another bite. I love my food! And I'm not too shy to eat it!
So, given that, do you guys still think that calories could be the issue?
Don't know how relevant this is, but I do have a family history of diabetes, and I also think that I really damaged my metabolism with five years of vegetarianism when I was in my late teens and early twenties. That's when I first started having hypoglycemic episodes.
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Post by clueless on Dec 30, 2013 19:00:51 GMT -6
log for today Calories 1513
fat: 109.05g | protein: 95.82g | carbs: 43.15g
Breakfast: left over LC pizza Lunch: lettuce roll ups with turkey and cheese Dinner: fajitas snack: 1 oz cashews
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 19:20:50 GMT -6
Well, letting my appetite guide me usually puts me at 2000-2200 calories per day. And at the upper range of the protein levels recommended on NK. So I'm definitely not unintentionally starving myself -- according to the recommendations of the so-called experts I'm only supposed to eat 1850 calories per day! I'm definitely not one of those dainty women who will eat a side salad and pretend she's too stuffed to have another bite. I love my food! And I'm not too shy to eat it! So, given that, do you guys still think that calories could be the issue? Don't know how relevant this is, but I do have a family history of diabetes, and I also think that I really damaged my metabolism with five years of vegetarianism when I was in my late teens and early twenties. That's when I first started having hypoglycemic episodes. If you can avoid hypoglycemic episodes and maintain your weight by eating low carb, that is a good thing! So what if you cannot skip meals. I would only be concerned if the hypoglycemia gets worse or you're not able to keep the symptoms under control. I've experienced low blood sugar a few times and it is no fun. I was vegetarian and later vegan for nearly 6 years, and developed terrible eating habits during that time. I figure it may take a few years of eating LC to heal my metabolism. I wasn't exactly on a healthy diet pre-veg*n either.
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Dec 30, 2013 20:12:20 GMT -6
No problem in protein for me today--91grams. Wow. but in an odd twist my calories aren't up to snuff for the day. Guess I'll go suck on some coconut oil. Felt great today though. Good energy. Definitely hit some ketosis today. Yea! Couldn't test, no strips yet. That energy, though, is one of the things I am chasing of being in NK.
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Post by gretalyn on Dec 30, 2013 21:38:00 GMT -6
If you can avoid hypoglycemic episodes and maintain your weight by eating low carb, that is a good thing! So what if you cannot skip meals. I would only be concerned if the hypoglycemia gets worse or you're not able to keep the symptoms under control. I've experienced low blood sugar a few times and it is no fun. I was vegetarian and later vegan for nearly 6 years, and developed terrible eating habits during that time. I figure it may take a few years of eating LC to heal my metabolism. I wasn't exactly on a healthy diet pre-veg*n either. You know, you're right. I have a lot to be grateful for. Before, my blood sugar would soar up to 180 and then crash into the 50's. Now, it stays steady between 80 and 110 all the time. That's a HUGE improvement. But fasting is a very important part of my faith, and sometimes I get frustrated that I can't do it. I've even tried a highly modified and gentler version of the fast that my priest suggested for me, and it still triggers hypoglycemia. Sigh.... That's very interesting to me what you said about developing terrible eating habits when you were vegetarian/vegan. I did the same thing! The last couple of years of it, I was basically *constantly* hungry. But, as ashamed as I am to admit this, there were only two foods that seemed filling to me and which I ate frequently: French fries and cheesecake!!! Is it really any wonder that I have metabolic problems now??
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Dec 30, 2013 22:33:05 GMT -6
Yes, Greta, it is important for each of us to regularly and thankfully remember how much we have accomplished, how far we've come toward our goals. Those blood sugar numbers you used to have--wow! Good for you for finding your way to a better way of eating and living.
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Post by reddarin on Dec 30, 2013 22:49:43 GMT -6
Numbers and log for today.
Calories: 4,211
Fat: 318 Pro: 282 Car: 51
67/28/5
Breakfast: Iced coffee & HWC, CO on the side. Lunch: Protein shake w/raspberries. Dinner: Ribs w/bbq sauce & jalapenos. Snack: Chocolatie.
Coconut oil....36 grams Cream, heavy, fluid....63 grams Milk, Almond Unsweet Vanilla....347 grams ProteinPowder SixStar FrVanCream....65 grams Red Raspberries, frozen (custom)....141 grams BBQ Sauce Mildly Wild....55 grams Pork ribs country boneless grilled (custom)....910 grams Peppers, jalapeno, raw....2 pepper Lindt 90% Bar....44 grams
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 0:30:40 GMT -6
Back when I was vegetarian, I pretty much lived on hummus and tortilla chips. Hummus is not too bad, but the tortilla chips were definitely not healthy! I was hungry all the time, super stressed at work, and snacked most of the day. On weekends I would have a bagel and 2 or 3 vegan donuts for breakfast. Sometimes I miss bagels, but I sure don't miss how badly I used to feel eating all that junk.
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Post by clueless on Dec 31, 2013 5:06:30 GMT -6
gretalyn I have a very hard time skipping meals too. I really don't know if it is my blood sugar or a mental thing or both. I have tried having lots of fat in the morning in my coffee but that doesn't do a thing at all for my hunger. I guess I need protein to feel satisfied. I used to fast years ago but I usually felt very sick, from detoxing during the fast. I did lose a lot of weight fasting but I wish I had known about LC and NK back then instead. Maybe my metabolism/hormones would be in better shape now.
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Post by clueless on Dec 31, 2013 5:23:22 GMT -6
Today's weight 150.8
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Dec 31, 2013 7:43:56 GMT -6
Welcome to the last day of 2013. Any of you celebrate in any particular manner? Not me. I'll be hanging out with my mom in the usual way. Even before this way of living focused on Mom, I hadn't gotten in the celebrate with friends manner in years. Lots of years.
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Post by gretalyn on Dec 31, 2013 8:33:56 GMT -6
Thank you guys for the encouragement! Happy last-day-of-2013, everyone! Later today I am going to add up how many miles I've hiked this year. Hopefully that will give me some cause to celebrate! We haven't really done anything to celebrate New Year's Eve in many years. But if my daughter wants to stay up to watch the festivities on tv, then I suppose I can try to stay up that late with her. I'm so used to bed by 10:00, and up by 5:30 that it will probably be a struggle!
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Post by reddarin on Dec 31, 2013 10:42:14 GMT -6
Weigh-in this morning... 172.0 and down point seven
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Post by clueless on Dec 31, 2013 10:45:29 GMT -6
Weigh-in this morning... 172.0 and down point seven :dance:Awesome
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 10:58:00 GMT -6
Welcome to the last day of 2013. Any of you celebrate in any particular manner? Not me. I'll be hanging out with my mom in the usual way. Even before this way of living focused on Mom, I hadn't gotten in the celebrate with friends manner in years. Lots of years. I haven't done anything special for New Year's Eve in years. I will be safely indoors with Tiny Cat and possibly a bottle of fireball whiskey. I think I'm going to make a low carb pepperoni pizza for dinner, using this recipe for almond flour pizza crust.
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Post by reddarin on Dec 31, 2013 11:24:03 GMT -6
Well, letting my appetite guide me usually puts me at 2000-2200 calories per day. And at the upper range of the protein levels recommended on NK. So I'm definitely not unintentionally starving myself -- according to the recommendations of the so-called experts I'm only supposed to eat 1850 calories per day! I'm definitely not one of those dainty women who will eat a side salad and pretend she's too stuffed to have another bite. I love my food! And I'm not too shy to eat it! So, given that, do you guys still think that calories could be the issue? Don't know how relevant this is, but I do have a family history of diabetes, and I also think that I really damaged my metabolism with five years of vegetarianism when I was in my late teens and early twenties. That's when I first started having hypoglycemic episodes. In either direction, too high or too low, my thinking stands - calorie intake needs to be actively managed for weight loss *if* you want to lose weight. I mean, if your trying to lose and you are not getting reasonable results of course. Some people never give it a second thought and lose just fine by casually following a LCHFMP (low carb, high fat, moderate protein) approach and some people can do it simply by carefully managing total carb grams. "I really damaged my metabolism with five years of vegetarianism when I was in my late teens and early twenties. That's when I first started having hypoglycemic episodes." The good news is that LC is the best way to fix almost any metabolic issue that is fixable - as far as I know it is the only way most of the time. But I bet that hypoglycemia (clinical level or not) is the reason for the challenge with IF. And I think it was part of the problem for me too. Also I wonder if your leptin signaling is a bit screwy. You might give that Leptin Reset protocol a try. I listened to a podcast and the expert on there said he couldn't see how the hell something like that would actually change anything but I'm guessing he doesn't have deranged leptin signaling. Maybe someone on our forum has tried it and can give their perspective? One of the Robb Wolf podcast I was listening to in the last day or two (going back through old episodes so I am not sure which one), he said that women have a better metabolism for fat burning than men. Before you dismiss that as hooey since men tend to be able to lose weight easier then women, fat burning and weight loss are not the same thing. Lots of NK women have excellent BK levels and frustrating weight loss results. That has to be a hormone balance issue which is why men, with far less going on hormone-wise, lose weight easier most of the time. Bringing leptin and superior fat burning together - if your lepting signaling is working well and you are a woman then your calories to satiety are probably going to be low enough to trigger other metabolic issues. Maybe. Just doing some stream of conscious stuff. Wait. I think the fat burning thing was on episode 136 of the Paleo Solution. The guest is Brad Davidson and they talk about female hormonal issues. It was a very interesting podcast. robbwolf.com/2012/06/12/estrogen-brad-davidson-episode-136/If the fat burning thing wasn't on that one it was on one where the guest mentioned how crossfit finals women were jacked and Wolf remarked that women are much better at using fat for fuel.
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Post by reddarin on Dec 31, 2013 11:26:43 GMT -6
I believe I am going to bring in the new year by watching old episodes of Justified
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 21:34:47 GMT -6
I came across an interesting blog post about intermittent fasting and women. I gave up IF awhile back because I was struggling with it, but would like to figure out a way to make IF work for me.
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Post by rejoicealways8 on Dec 31, 2013 23:43:21 GMT -6
What did it say about that, IF and women? And how did it describe IF? Lots of ways to do that. Wondering what benefits were said to come to women from IF....
I took my mom to some friends who were hosting our home church/prayer group to have supper and to watch the Aggie football game. Mom did great. Now have her home and in bed. (it's 11:40 CT). I think I'll go home now. Could be in my own bed when the clock strikes 2014.
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Post by reddarin on Jan 1, 2014 0:04:58 GMT -6
Happy New Year everyone!
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Post by reddarin on Jan 1, 2014 0:06:51 GMT -6
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