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Post by reddarin on Nov 30, 2013 12:09:14 GMT -6
That is very interesting Lisa. There is a lot(?) of contradictory messages about gluconeogenesis and ketogenic eating. This part resolves it nicely: And thus BK levels can be depressed even though protein may not be spiking insulin levels through conversion to glucose. |
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Post by reddarin on Nov 30, 2013 12:12:47 GMT -6
reddarin, maybe you could do a big old pot of cabbage rote soup with a bunch of butter and bacon grease, just omit the GB. Cream cheese clouds. I don't have any cream cheese on hand other than the jalapeno type but cheese is a bit too protein dense in any appreciable quantity. But the soup is a great idea  |
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Post by kewlkat on Nov 30, 2013 12:41:21 GMT -6
No worries, it happens. Lol. I have come to realize little bounces and bumps are nothing to worry about. Just water weight or a hormonal thing. Weighing everyday is good for me because I get to see things like that, if I only weighed once a week I might be more apt to freak out and give in. I know what I ate yesterday and I know it had nothing to do with my weigh in today. Darin has helped me realize that. That number on the scale is just that, a number. That used to bother me but today it didn't bug me a bit.  After a month of weighing daily and getting frustrated with more ups then downs, I thought maybe I should do once a week or month, but then I read the above and thought it's better to see how things fluctuate and know when they happen so I can refer back to see what may have caused it. The only thing is for this past month, other than 2 days I consumed 33g of Carb in one day, I haven't done anything out of the rules for NK and 33g of Carbs isn't out of line either. My FBG was a bit higher this morning for some reason as well, 98 but BK was .8. So I will continue the daily weight checks and adopt Darin and your attitudes that it's just a number. Keep reminding me throughout the next month, eh?  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 13:16:02 GMT -6
That is very interesting Lisa. There is a lot(?) of contradictory messages about gluconeogenesis and ketogenic eating. This part resolves it nicely: And thus BK levels can be depressed even though protein may not be spiking insulin levels through conversion to glucose. What I'm wondering is even if higher protein levels decrease blood ketones, does it mean a person is burning less body fat? I kind of doubt it, though I don't have proof. I ate between 80-100 g protein daily the first time I did low carb 12 years ago. That's a moderate protein level for my height & weight, which is what is recommended for NK. |
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Post by reddarin on Nov 30, 2013 13:42:48 GMT -6
What I'm wondering is even if higher protein levels decrease blood ketones, does it mean a person is burning less body fat? I kind of doubt it, though I don't have proof. I ate between 80-100 g protein daily the first time I did low carb 12 years ago. That's a moderate protein level for my height & weight, which is what is recommended for NK. Answer: no. The reason is that BK levels are about *efficient* metabolism of body fat as a primary fuel source rather than absolute utilization of body fat as a fuel source. Phinney says as much when he stated, in the LTS podcast, that higher BK levels in the NK range do not have anything to do with losing weight. That is why I say in the intro post every month that the benefits of LC are felt rapidly, within days, without regard to the transitional period of keto-adaptation. In other words, hormonal dysfunction is a separate issue from energy homeostasis. |
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Post by chrispy on Nov 30, 2013 14:49:56 GMT -6
Todays numbers.......
Cals. 1394
FAT 112.5g
Carbs 24.8g
Prot. 72.2g
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 15:13:27 GMT -6
What I'm wondering is even if higher protein levels decrease blood ketones, does it mean a person is burning less body fat? I kind of doubt it, though I don't have proof. I ate between 80-100 g protein daily the first time I did low carb 12 years ago. That's a moderate protein level for my height & weight, which is what is recommended for NK. Answer: no. The reason is that BK levels are about *efficient* metabolism of body fat as a primary fuel source rather than absolute utilization of body fat as a fuel source. Phinney says as much when he stated, in the LTS podcast, that higher BK levels in the NK range do not have anything to do with losing weight. That is why I say in the intro post every month that the benefits of LC are felt rapidly, within days, without regard to the transitional period of keto-adaptation. In other words, hormonal dysfunction is a separate issue from energy homeostasis. Thank you! I recall reading something about higher BK levels being helpful for athletic performance, but that isn't relevant for someone like me. Speaking of protein, I got Tiny Cat to eat some wet food by mixing it with the dry kibble. She liked that and is eating much better now. I got her on the scale this morning and she weighs less than 5 lbs.  |
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Post by clueless on Nov 30, 2013 17:15:17 GMT -6
The people that live down the road from us have moved and they left their poor dog behind.  I tell you that is Purdy danged sorry! They musta moved 2 weeks ago or more. I hadn't realized they had moved till I saw there dog and how skinny it had gotten then the girls said they had moved. We took the dog some food several times but she was grieving and wouldn't eat. We finally got her to eat some ham scraps today. She is a mix but has a lot of Siberian husky with sweet blue eyes. They even left her dog house. At least they didn't leave her tied, animal control had paid them several visits concerning the dog before they moved. |
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Post by clueless on Nov 30, 2013 17:19:02 GMT -6
Log for today
Calories 1329
fat: 109.13g
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carbs: 18.01g
Breakfast: bacon and eggs
Lunch: cheese burger
Dinner: sausage and cabbage pancakes
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Post by reddarin on Nov 30, 2013 17:44:43 GMT -6
The people that live down the road from us have moved and they left their poor dog behind. I tell you that is Purdy danged sorry! They musta moved 2 weeks ago or more. I hadn't realized they had moved till I saw there dog and how skinny it had gotten then the girls said they had moved. We took the dog some food several times but she was grieving and wouldn't eat. We finally got her to eat some ham scraps today. She is a mix but has a lot of Siberian husky with sweet blue eyes. They even left her dog house. At least they didn't leave her tied, animal control had paid them several visits concerning the dog before they moved. Poor thing! And those idiots were too lazy to just take the dog to a shelter - some shelter other than PETA since they destroy more animals than any other organization in America. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 19:17:54 GMT -6
The people that live down the road from us have moved and they left their poor dog behind. I tell you that is Purdy danged sorry! They musta moved 2 weeks ago or more. I hadn't realized they had moved till I saw there dog and how skinny it had gotten then the girls said they had moved. We took the dog some food several times but she was grieving and wouldn't eat. We finally got her to eat some ham scraps today. She is a mix but has a lot of Siberian husky with sweet blue eyes. They even left her dog house. At least they didn't leave her tied, animal control had paid them several visits concerning the dog before they moved. Oh that's awful, I hope someone can adopt the dog. I used to work for a business that did maintenance and repairs on foreclosed houses, and it was not unusual for former homeowners to abandon their pets. Sometimes the poor animals would be dead or near starving by the time the foreclosure went through (which can take months, even years) and someone was sent out to inspect the property. I'm not one to defend the big banks, and foreclosures are an awful thing, but I really have to wonder how anyone could be so cruel as to leave a pet behind like that. |
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Post by reddarin on Nov 30, 2013 20:13:48 GMT -6
Part II of that Australian TV show about the lies of mainstream nutrition was posted this past month. They took on Statins in this show. It was excellent ... but!!!... part of it was troubling. Big Pharma gets crucified for the bad science behind the epidemic of statin prescriptions we are experiencing world wide. That part is true - Big Pharma and ethically challenged doctors should be locked up in stocks and pelted with rocks then put in prison for the rest of their natural lives for what has been done by them. However, the show implies that *government* should shoulder the responsibility for scientific purity. OMG!!! They just did a show on the fraud of the Lipid Hypothesis detailing the culpability of public servants in flatly ignoring contrary evidence and dissenting views from doctors at the McGovern commission hearings. The AHA completely disagreed with Keyes right up until Keyes got himself on their advisory panel. Shortly after that, with no change in the existing data, the AHA turned 180 degrees suddenly finding Keyes to be 100% correct. The answer is not to vilify Big Pharma and glorify non-profits or governmental agencies. Hell, the FDA is probably responsible for more death than any Big Pharma because they risk nothing by preventing drugs from reaching patients and they risk everything by approving any given medicine. The answer is to enforce the standards of science. That does not mean slavish prostration at the altar of Peer Reviewed since plenty of flawed studies sail right through the peer review process. "Well, I would only argue that Senators don't have the luxury of that a research scientist does of waiting until every last shred of evidence is in." --Senator George McGovern Not a patsy of Big Pharma. Part of the non-profit organization referred to as Congress that helped propagate this sham.
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Post by clueless on Nov 30, 2013 20:13:57 GMT -6
I know the shelter will put her down so no way would I call them. I kept thinking they would come back for her but I guess not. They were there last Saturday and I am sure they saw the food we had put out, she didn't touch it at all. I think I will start asking around to see if anyone will take her. The neighbors down the hill from us have way too many dogs and they are mean, if she moved down here I am afraid they would have problems, she is a big dog so without some training I would have to keep her tied up and away from the daycare kids. She is usually a jumper which could broken fairly easy if someone knew what to do, she hardly bothers to get up right now much less jump on anyone.
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Post by reddarin on Nov 30, 2013 20:28:45 GMT -6
Numbers and log for today. Holy crap. I doubt I'll do this very often. In a word, today was awful. A headache for most of the day and a strange feeling in general. And it was very tough to even get to 2700 calories without busting the 15g limit that Asprey mentioned in his lecture. Thanks to clueless for the idea of the super fatty cabbage and rotel soup. I'm not sure I'd have made it to 2700 without that dish. No way I could have done it if I was avoiding dairy. Part of the problem, of course, is the 3000+ calorie level I was shooting for. It'd be much easier to do this at lower calories. Calories: 2,715 Fat: 280 Pro: 14 Car: 49 91/2/7 Breakfast: One cup of brewed coffee with butter and CO. Iced coffee & HWC. Lunch: Soup [cabbage, rotel, bouillon, bacon grease, butter]. Dinner: Coffee with CO and butter. Snack: HWC floats. Pickles. Coconut oil....24 grams Cream, heavy, fluid....166 grams Butter....18 grams Cabbage, green, raw....352 grams Animal fat, bacon grease....67 grams Chicken bouillon - customized....3 envelope yields Butter....42 grams Rotel Chunky Original (Custom)....280 grams Cream, heavy, fluid....84 grams Coconut oil....27 grams Cream, heavy, fluid....29 grams Butter....12 grams Cucumber pickles, dill....308 grams |
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Post by clueless on Nov 30, 2013 20:34:44 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 20:43:49 GMT -6
reddarin - would a fat fast work for a day of protein restriction? More hwc and coconut oil in your coffee, lots of butter in broth, that sort of thing. It might be a struggle to get in enough calories, although I don't think one day will hurt.
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Post by reddarin on Nov 30, 2013 20:51:14 GMT -6
Just in case anyone is not subbed to the Other Books thread, Lisa just posted that Grain Brain is on sale for the Kindle version! Just in case you do not have a kindle you can still buy the kindle version and read it on your computer with the kindle app. If you have a Kindle device, David Perlmutter's book Grain Brain is on sale at Amazon for $3.29. Thanks Lisa! |
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Post by reddarin on Nov 30, 2013 20:54:02 GMT -6
Ugh reddarin, that sounds rough. Ya think the lack of protein caused a blood sugar issue? I don't see how but my blood sugar knowledge is limited at best. |
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Post by reddarin on Nov 30, 2013 20:56:35 GMT -6
reddarin - would a fat fast work for a day of protein restriction? More hwc and coconut oil in your coffee, lots of butter in broth, that sort of thing. It might be a struggle to get in enough calories, although I don't think one day will hurt. For sure, a protein restriction day is a default FF day. The problem I had was more about getting my calories so high. I don't think anyone else eats at the high level I have been eating at for the last several weeks. I was thrilled to get up to 2700 heh |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 21:14:12 GMT -6
heh, after all my ranting about getting enough protein I fell a little short today. I didn't do too badly, but tomorrow I will aim for 90 g.
Today's log: 1740 calories, 147 g fat, 72 g protein, 30 g carbs.
Breakfast - eggs scrambled in butter with cheddar & scallions, coffee with half&half
Lunch - cabbage, ground beef, grated cheese, salsa, sour cream. This was really good! I didn't cook the cabbage, just dumped the cooked meat and other stuff in a bowl and mixed it all together.
Snack - cream cheese mousse
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Post by reddarin on Nov 30, 2013 21:28:20 GMT -6
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I tell you that is Purdy danged sorry! They musta moved 2 weeks ago or more. I hadn't realized they had moved till I saw there dog and how skinny it had gotten then the girls said they had moved. We took the dog some food several times but she was grieving and wouldn't eat. We finally got her to eat some ham scraps today. She is a mix but has a lot of Siberian husky with sweet blue eyes. They even left her dog house. At least they didn't leave her tied, animal control had paid them several visits concerning the dog before they moved.